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Dispatches From The War On Christmas: Your Tax $$$ At Waste. 
12th-Dec-2007 10:07 pm
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12.11.07

After Opposing Resolutions On Ramadan And Diwali, Rep. King Introduces Christmas Bill
Rep. Steve King (R-IA) plans to take the House floor today and introduce a bill (HR 847) recognizing the “importance of Christmas and the Christian faith.”

A spokesman for King told ThinkProgress that the bill was introduced in response to previous resolutions recognizing the Muslim celebration of Ramadan and the Hindu Diwali. King, in fact, mirrored his Christmas resolution on the Ramadan one, according to the spokesman:
The Christmas resolution Congressman King has offered is only being offered because there have been two previous resolutions earlier this year in October, one for the Muslim holiday of Ramadan and one for the Hindu holiday of Diwali.

It was actually entirely unprecedented to even consider them for a vote. Religions have not been singled out and honored previously in Congress. But now that this precedent has been set, Congressman King thought it was important to honor Christmas. This is just simply the exact same language used as the Ramadan resolution on Oct 2.
Yet King didn’t even vote for the Ramadan resolution. King instead joined a handful of right-wing lawmakers, including Reps. Virgil Goode (R-VA) and Tom Tancredo (R-CO), who voted “present.” (They didn’t want to explicitly vote “no” because they didn’t want to be seen “as not commending religion in general.”)

Additionally, it’s questionable whether these religion resolutions are truly “unprecedented,” as King’s office claims. In the 109th Congress, the late JoAnn Davis (R-VA) also introduced a resolution recognizing “the importance of the symbols and traditions of Christmas.” King voted for that bill.

Source »



12.12.07

Rep. King Decries ‘Assault On Christmas,’ Calls On Americans To ‘Stand Up’ And ‘Worship Christ’ - On Fox News
Rep. Steve King recently (R-IA) introduced legislation recognizing the “importance of Christmas and the Christian faith,” despite previously opposing resolutions recognizing the Muslim celebration of Ramadan and the Hindu Diwali.

A spokesman for King told ThinkProgress that the congressman simply “thought it was important to honor Christmas” by introducing the bill. Yet today on Fox News, King went further, decrying an “assault on Christmas” from “secularists” who want to “eradicate Christ from Christmas.” Ignoring the Constitution, King claimed America is really a “Christian nation”:
I recognized that we’re a Christian nation founded on Christian principles, and we’re coming up to Christmastime. … It’s time we stood up and said so, and said to the rest of America, Be who you are and be confident. And let’s worship Christ and let’s celebrate Christmas for the right reasons.
In his tirade, King attacked the nine “liberal Democrat” “naysayers” who voted against the bill. “I would like to know how they can vote yes on Ramadan, yes on the Indian religions, and no on Christianity, when the foundation of this nation and our American culture is Christian,” he said.

In response, Rep. Alcee Hastings (D-FL) ripped King’s religious zealotry as “another sad attempt by conservative Republicans to skew the line between church and state”:
“America is not a Christian nation,” Hastings said. “It is a nation of Christians, Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists and everyone in between. Our diversity is our strength and those who seek to use religion as a litmus test are doing a disservice to all of us.”

As for the “assault on Christianity,” Hastings said, “all someone has to do is visit a shopping mall, turn on the radio or TV or look at the Christmas trees sitting on the front lawns of the White House and the United States Capitol to realize that no such assault is underway.”
King isn’t alone. Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) and former Arkansas governor Mike Huckabee both have declared that America is a Christian nation.

Source [with video of the Fox News segment] »



Okay. Hear those crickets? That's the deafening roar of the American public's outrage that this bullshit even happened in the House. Also, already this month alone, while Rep. King was out getting the fundies all afroth, 7 soldiers died in this sham of a war. But Christians and Christmas are important now, so everything is fine.

*stab stab stab*
Comments 
13th-Dec-2007 03:14 am (UTC) - the stoopids

The question ought to be: if christmas and heterosexual marriage are both in such need of defending, then how can the practitioners of both use non-legal means to strengthen them?

Even if the nation was "a christian nation founded on christian principles" and blah blah blah,
it does NOT follow that we ought to remain that today.
[Like you, I don't embrace that little piece of revisionist history that believes that we "are a christian nation."]

The government should stay the hel out of religion. Zero funding, zero acknowledgment, zero interference.

spike

13th-Dec-2007 03:59 am (UTC) - Re: the stoopids
I concur - and vice versa, religion should stay out of government.
13th-Dec-2007 03:33 am (UTC) - Re: the stoopids
I hope that - as is often the case - the voters are ahead of the politicians.

My relatives in the midwest, MD and FL (those that follow politics like I do anyway) all think King is a loon.
13th-Dec-2007 04:03 am (UTC) - Re: the stoopids
As do I, but I don't expect the collective outrage for such an egregious waste of time for them to even be considering such a thing in the BEST of circumstances, least of all with a war going on - to say nothing of the host of other issues our elected officials should be concerned with as opposed to this blatant nonsense. The American people (it pains me to say it) are a bunch of sheep, and I cannot fathom how something like this isn't a huge scandal that has this asshole's head rolling.

What's next, a resolution stating that kittens are fuzzy or bunnies are cute? Yeah, that's really going to do TONS for health care, the environment, a broken education system, etc. etc...

I would hope that constituents everywhere are as livid as I am.

Edited at 2007-12-13 04:06 am (UTC)
13th-Dec-2007 04:09 am (UTC)
I find it damned curious how they can start shit like this and not do a damned thing about the real issues.
13th-Dec-2007 04:21 am (UTC)
Once again my mind is fucking blown that these things even have a place to come up in congress. Why the hell was there a bill passed for Ramadan? Why is this thing continuing? This is why both sides annoy me; both are incompetent and amazing at wasting my tax money bickering over irrelevant shit.
13th-Dec-2007 04:35 am (UTC)
Lately I can understand why Americans just don't give a fuck anymore... cuz even *i'm* burnt out on all this nonsense. No wonder they tune into America's Next Top (insert useless position here) and gorge on cheetos.

At least in reality-tv land, their votes COUNT.

13th-Dec-2007 04:38 am (UTC)
My give-a-fuck is on its last legs, truth be told.

America's Next Top Embarrassment - that's what I call all of that shit.
13th-Dec-2007 05:48 am (UTC)
We don't usually talk about Jesus, not one-on-one or anything like that, but I am certain I've voiced my opinion several times here. I look at this and I think two things: 1.) If your faith in Jesus being your personal savior and inspiration as a human being is so strong, who cares what the detractors say? DO you need the nativity and prayer in school and Jesus lunch boxes and BILLS to remind you of your faith, to help you celebrate your holidays? They will know we are Christians by our LOVE. Not all Christians celebrate the birth of Jesus the same way anyhow. Some go to church; some go to Macy's.

2.) If people could give a shit about Jesus and religion, if people don't believe in Allah or Yahweh or God or that Jesus is their personal savior, why is it so offensive to see a menorah or a nativity scene, symbols that have been around for centuries? Why is everyone up in arms about celebrating a holiday that has morphed over the years to encompass every walk of life, to actually be a social event of a long and dark season? And if I walked past Daley Center and saw a giant symbol of a religion other than Christianity, I'd be like, "oh, it's the feast day of Ramallahahiam. That's nice, those folks make things very festive this time of year" and I'd be on my way.

Jesus does not corner the market on the spirit of giving and sharing and caring and kindness and loving, but for millions he is a symbol of that aspect of being human - to rise above the base levels of our being human and raise our consciousness higher; it's sad, however, that those millions do not rise above the mundane and extend that loving feeling to those with different beliefs or to those who express their freedom to not believe in a higher power. Belief in the family of Man is important too. That is not a threat to the idea God or the idea of Christ - I think it goes hand in hand on a certain level.

And another thing: This bill is a topic in Capitalist America; do we really need to pass a bill to give us further incentive to shop? Is this not a plan to further sales? Christmas is big money, guys and girls. Ramadan and Diwali are not big money-makers here in the U.S., but with a little ingenuity on their parts, it CAN be. I can see Diwali fast becoming a homogenized Festival of Lights here, and it would soon have not a thing to do with its original intent. But it would be fun, right? As someone who thinks Jesus is all right in her book, I don't offend easily. If people celebrate Christmas as a day to get together with their family and friends and have a nice meal, what's the harm? What is the fucking harm to my time alone in prayer or contemplation? NO harm. This bill? Is SHIT. Christian nation, maybe is started that way, was founded by Christians who held certain morals and etc. but, fuckers, is it supposed to stay strictly a Christian nation? How, by legislating Christmas? That idea has "ASS" written all over it.

Who is comfortable with that idea? How many Christians are comfortable with that idea?
13th-Dec-2007 05:58 am (UTC)
Christmas is not proof that this is a Christian nation; Christmas is proof that this is a Capitalist nation.
13th-Dec-2007 06:19 am (UTC)
I feel like I have to ask the obvious question: How is it this man is representing constituents in Congress? Has he even read the Constitution and Bill of Rights? Has he forgotten the little part about Congress not making any laws dealing with religion?

Why didn't the Speaker of the House shut this damn thing down before it even made it to the floor???
13th-Dec-2007 06:55 am (UTC)
"Stand up and worship Christ"?

What about those of us who don't believe in Christ...or who are quadriplegic?
14th-Dec-2007 03:08 pm (UTC)
Happy Birthday - and I hope you carry on with the fun through out the holiday season.
14th-Dec-2007 03:17 pm (UTC)
Thanks, Lou - I appreciate it!
14th-Dec-2007 04:52 pm (UTC)
Oh, he can bite me...HAVE A MERRY YULE EVERYONE!

Love, Vesta Morgaine

High Priestess
14th-Dec-2007 04:59 pm (UTC)
oh and p.s...

What is the term...melting pot? Hello!

And what about the fact that it was the fundy Christians that practically ERADICATED the Native Americans with their CRAP way back when (and even now).

Sorry...back to your regularly scheduled program.
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18th-Sep-2009 08:15 pm (UTC)
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