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Islam Is NOT About Peace, It's About Bloodthirsty Imbeciles 
30th-Nov-2007 08:58 am
"Religion of peace" demands death for naming teddy bear Mohammed
Thousands of Sudanese, many carrying knives and sticks, have taken to the streets of Khartoum calling for the execution of British school teacher Gillian Gibbons, jailed over a teddy bear.

Crowds demonstrated outside the presidential palace, saying the 15-day prison sentence imposed on Mrs Gibbons for allowing her class to call a teddy bear Mohammed was too lenient.

The protesters streamed out of mosques after sermons, as pick-up trucks with loudspeakers blared messages against Mrs Gibbons, 54, from Liverpool.

Hundreds of riot police were deployed as demonstrators massed in central Martyrs Square, outside the palace.

"Shame, shame on the UK," protesters chanted, and they called for Mrs Gibbons' execution, saying, "No tolerance: Execution," and "Kill her, kill her by firing squad."

The women's prison where Gibbons is being held is far from the site, as is the Unity High School where she taught, which is under heavy security protection.

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1st-Dec-2007 09:10 pm (UTC)
Really? How so?

The Old Testament is nowhere near as misogynistic as the Quran. And yes, I've read them both to compare & contrast the hard-line version -vs- the more liberal one.

Not following the religion closely is where all of the inconsistencies arise, and regardless - it's all self destructive delusion as far as I'm concerned - just my opinion, I'm not suggesting anyone else agree with it. Sure there are 'good' people who claim allegiance to religions of different flavors - but my opinion that they are all damaging trumps every bit of it in my eyes. I'm an atheist, I'm not a 'good' person because some book or preacher suggests that is the way to be, I am a good person because I choose to be independent of some dogma offering me a cosmic payoff for being a good man. Being religious is hardly the best gateway to morality.

Back to that inconsistency thing - these texts, these sacred texts, they're not intended to be help up to scrutiny by adherents, you're supposed to take it on the whole and not edit out the parts you disagree with.

No - not all Muslims are violent, but if they took the literal interpretation of the Quran as they are supposed to, they most assuredly would by - just ask any Saudi Arabian citizen. You either follow the dictates of the Prophet, of you're not really in the club. Or cult, you decide. Can't have it both ways. I'm not making a sweeping stereotype, I'm stating the fact that the people you suggest as following the religion in this case ARE NOT really following it! Calling oneself an astronaut does not make you one, no matter how badly you may wish you were - it's pretty cut and dry, you are or you aren't. Am I grateful they're not the kind of people that behead as punishment and enslave women? Of course I am - I just wish they're renounce this bullshit they claim they believe in when clearly it doesn't believe in them. THAT is my point. When the overriding voices say in unison "I want nothing to do with this bullshit - if that is really what it is, let me have no part of it" then I can take them seriously. To make such a declaration as a Muslim is literally to sign you own death warrant. Islam = justifiable bloodshed and sanctioned enslavement. Don't take my word for it - read up on it and do some homework if you disagree. See it all for yourself.

2nd-Dec-2007 04:09 am (UTC)
No - not all Muslims are violent..

That's all I was looking for.

As far as whether you either are or aren't a follower of religion.. That's not the case. Religion has all sorts of shades of gray, which is why it's such a controversial topic. Would you say that a Christian who doesn't go to church isn't Christian?

I judge a person on their actions, not their religion. And, honestly, I'm more the type of person that assumes the best of all people, no matter how often it gets me kicked in the ass. *laughs*

In my opinion, religion isn't just a "delusion". It's something that a lot of people need for whatever reason. By stating that it's a delusion, you're being as judgmental and close-minded as every fundamentalist theist out there. Just because you find your peace in atheism doesn't mean that everyone has to find their peace in atheism. People are different, and where every person finds their peace is different. We'd all be better off as a race if we would accept that.

And that's all I'm going to say on the whole religion vs. atheism debate, because I know that we're probably not going to come to an agreement on that particular topic and I don't want to waste any more of your time. :)

Edited at 2007-12-02 04:22 am (UTC)
2nd-Dec-2007 03:59 pm (UTC)
A Christian is one who believes that Jesus Christ is the Lord God and savior of all mankind - it isn't a religion in that respect, necessarily. Going to church has nothing to do with it either, really. I used to have a sticker that said "If going to church makes you a Christian, does going to the garage make you a car?" I loved that sticker, I want it on a t-shirt!

I assume nothing about people - and judge on actions as well. Good call!

Indeed, in many respects I AM being judgmental and closed-minded, which I am more than fine with. There has to be a point in your life that you decide some things are finite and therefore it gives me a predisposition. It's not that I am necessarily opposed to the whole or religious people, it's the fact that I have a lot of odds stacked against me when I'm considering certain things with a religious person as opposed to a nonreligious one. I base this on an entire lifetime of experiences of my own, so it is fair as far as I'm concerned - I speak for no one but myself.

Man's need religion usually begins as a fear of death. Rather than doing any critical thinking, most people default to religion or faith simply because they're indoctrinated early and taught not to question - so it never occurs to them given that this is the way it has always been within their families and communities. Of course I'm a minority, most people wouldn't find peace in atheism without giving it tremendous thought and asking very difficult questions - and not everyone is going to, nor do I personally expect them to. I've never suggested that all people need to renounce their faith in God, even if I believe it is a good idea as it would cause mass hysteria. Perhaps we would be better off if we accepted one another, but it's never going to happen, sadly. You can blame religion for that by the way. Nothing divides people quite the way that religion does.

You're not wasting my time, I'm not afraid of disagreement. Remember, I'm a godless faggot living in the south - I don't need anyone to agree with me in order for me to know that what I believe is right for me. ;-)
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