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shivasinai: the floor is yours. 
22nd-Feb-2007 10:40 pm
Take your best shot. I'll spar with you for a while, at least. Go ahead, the gloves are off - just realize that before you bite.

BACKSTORY: see this thread in this post over at the jeff_buckley community. I'd already deleted well over 25 comments from the troll because they were inflammatory and I wanted to spare the rest of the community from all of the flaming and sniping before inviting troll here to resolve the matter. If someone wants to go toe to toe with me on an issue, that's fine - just own your motives for it and don't backpedal later when you get caught in your bullshit. That's what happened, basically. I'm leaving this post up and the links to it in place for anyone in the community who follows over to see what happened as a means of proving that I didn't start this nonsense - I just finished it and had enough respect for the community to bring it here and not leave it there.

EDIT: 11:36PM

Only 93 minutes for me to spin out this troll on itself - I believe that's a new record for me.
23rd-Feb-2007 03:54 am (UTC)
I like your goatee.
23rd-Feb-2007 04:00 am (UTC)
That LJ icon isn't too old, is it? I'd hate to compliment you on a goatee that no longer exists.
23rd-Feb-2007 04:22 am (UTC) - To troll or not troll...
Another thing - you can stop commenting to me in the community, I already made it clear I won't respond to you there anymore.
23rd-Feb-2007 04:11 am (UTC)
What, no point of contention to offer on how I'm disrespecting Jeff Buckley's wishes in posting bootleg concert links? Why the interest in the quality of the shows, if the courage of your convictions is such that you think it is wrong, what possible difference does it make whether they're phenomenal or complete shit - how does that serve your purposes in condemning my post?

Could it be that you didn't initially even allude to giving a fuck about that until I made it known that you were being tactless and insensitive, so you copped to your disapproval after the fact? Could it be that you're just a troll trying to incite a flame war?

I find nothing humorous about the way he died, and the mention of his status as a veritable God among fans was metaphorical. If you don't feel that way, that's perfectly fine - but you posted what would have been a thread of 20+ comments that failed to support your original position - you backpedaled when I initially replied and told you that your comment about the quality of the recordings sounds "as if he was underwater" and posited that you never listened to them via download - it was your assumption based on most bootlegs. That's bullshit, because even if you hadn't really downloaded and listened to even one of them, it doesn't change the fact that if you really gave a fuck about how wrong I was for posting them in the first place, if you really had the courage of that conviction, you wouldn't bother with inquiries as to the quality of the recordings.

If you have a point to make, make it - otherwise, you're just a troll illustrating the point that this is all you really are. Resolve this before trying to humor me further about my facial hair.

If I'm wrong in any way, then point that out to me now. I'm adhering to your position on honesty by being as honest as I know how to be, let me be fair in hearing you out before deconstructing this any further.
23rd-Feb-2007 04:14 am (UTC)
Your smile's really pleasant. How many people tell you that?
23rd-Feb-2007 04:21 am (UTC)
I suspected as much. I ask you pointed questions, give a reasonable opportunity for you to respond, and you hide behind this kind of bullshit. Show some backbone, man - where's all that you threw around for the benefit of the community members?

Last chance, put up or shut up!
23rd-Feb-2007 04:26 am (UTC)
OK. Let's be honest.

It's your eyes more than anything. They're very soulful.
23rd-Feb-2007 04:34 am (UTC) - Nice - record little effort on this one as well, you didn't even put up a fight!
Beautiful - you have absolutely succeeded in proving yourself to be nothing but a troll. I'll keep this post available as a record for anyone following here from the community to see that you're full of shit and not to be taken seriously.

For anyone reading this, note the timestamp on this comment and measure it against anything else this cunt tries to add in .

We're all done, fuckwit.
26th-Feb-2007 09:38 pm (UTC)
All you are doing is encouraging him.

I'd have thought by now you'd know or understand that shivasinai is the black humor genius on jeff_buckley. You may not appreciate his comments, but I find him UPROARIOUSLY funny. I think that community could use a little livening up. These girls talking about making babies with him and saying they can't conceive how anyone would ever cheat on him...? ugh. I find it much more disrespectful than anything shivasinai has ever said.

I personally appreciate what you did, but you should also appreciate that some people find posting his rare tracks and unfinished songs an invasion of his privacy, like ripping pages out of his private diary.
27th-Feb-2007 01:13 am (UTC)
All I really wanted was to get him/her to own his/her trollness, then I was done. I have a record of it now, so I'm all good.

I do accept how others may feel about the material being made available, but that is their prerogative - and I respectfully suggest that if they have issues with it, then they avoid the posts, make their own rebuttal posts in opposition, or accept that not everyone feels the same as they do.

Insofar as shivasinai, I made my point and I have no interest in engaging it further.
23rd-Feb-2007 04:36 am (UTC)
I have no clue what's going on. I can say that angry_biscuit has made invaluable contributions on lj, and if posting live show mp3s and the like isn't one of the best ways to show respect for a musician who's no longer able to have live shows, then I don't know what is.
23rd-Feb-2007 04:45 am (UTC)
Troll from a community, now outed and on record for the interested community members who follow the thread in my post here. Troll started flaming, then backpedaled, I deleted 20+ comments to spare the community members from troll's bullshit before offering to bring the discussion to this post - which resulted in what you see above. In a word, it got PWNED.
23rd-Feb-2007 05:54 am (UTC) - WIth the deepest of respect...
If Jeff Buckley is pissed off somewhere, floating around in the ethers, because I dowloaded these awesome live shows, then I'd like to personally tell him this:
"If you gave a shit about what happened to your music, pal, ya wouldn't have been silly enough to take your life so frivolously and gone swimming with the heavy boots on in such a dangerous place! You would have taken better care to stick around a little longer!This is all you left us, guy, so just relax!

Sometimes I can't even listen to his voice without getting really, really sad. I feel like such a gift has been taken from us, and yeah, i'll accept the crumbs we're given -although these are really great recordings of really awesome shows! I'll rejoice in the live performances because it's all we have left. I draw the line at personal journals, things like that. THAT shit iss none of anyone's business. But live shows? If there were three or twenty or one hundred people listening in, and someone recorded them, then we can listen in too.
23rd-Feb-2007 06:18 pm (UTC)
the bitch is obviously another starved for attention loser. sorry he chose you to annoy, man.

anyways, kudos to you for keeping the jeff buckley legacy alive. as a musician myself, i'm kind of a lousy fan, but the one big old poster i have in my bedroom is of jeff. his voice was a gift to the world, and to this day it touches me deeply.
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