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6th-Oct-2006 12:51 pm
Just in case a few of you haven't had your morning cup of "Die Motherfucker!™" yet:

Page scandal a 'calamity for gay Republicans...'
Less than 24 hours after Rep. Mark Foley resigned in disgrace, some 50 gay Republicans gathered at a friend's house in Virginia. They were in a brittle mood. Foley -- one of their own, in terms of sexual orientation and party ID -- had, by his misconduct, exposed them to personal and even professional recrimination. And they feared a backlash. A close friend of Foley's summed up the situation this way: "It is a disgrace. It's a disgrace for the party, and it's a disgrace and a disaster for all of us."

Washington's community of gay Republicans includes at least one member of Congress, more than a dozen high-ranking congressional aides, current and former White House staffers, advisers to the Pentagon, press strategists for prominent conservatives, several well-known journalists, and a legion of influential lobbyists.
What, Gannongate wasn't enough?

Let me be clear on the matter of gay Republicans, as I have before today. First off, for all of the 'work' they do in the name of inclusiveness, it comes down to the same thing - in swearing allegiance to a party that on the whole wants NOTHING to do with them, they make themselves a target for mockery - and not just from me, either - oh no!

Gay Republicans are some of the most self-loathing motherfuckers ever, bar none. Any venom directed their way is deserved, and I think they're a complete sham.

Jews for Hitler, African Americans for the KKK, Christians Fucking For Chastity, Atheists for Jesus, Cambodians for Pol Pot, and Gay Republicans.

Great, I'm fucking bleeding from the eyes now.
6th-Oct-2006 05:04 pm (UTC)
"some 50 gay Republicans gathered at a friend's house in Virginia. They were in a brittle mood. Foley -- one of their own, in terms of sexual orientation and party ID -- had, by his misconduct, exposed them to personal and even professional recrimination. And they feared a backlash."

What a bunch of spineless, self-hating bitches! I hope the Foley fiasco does ruin them!


"gay republicans". I'll never fuckin' understand it. It's a fucked up oxymoron like 'military intelligence'.

6th-Oct-2006 05:05 pm (UTC)
Being Republican isn't a calamity in and of itself for gays? There are other routes to take to promote fiscal conservatism (not that the Republicans seem to believe in that) and other (former) cornerstones of the Republican platform than siding with people who think you shouldn't exist... or if you have to, you can do it in the closet. :(
6th-Oct-2006 05:24 pm (UTC)
I'm going to add that I'm almost as baffled by female Republicans. As someone who has often only partly tongue-in-cheek claimed I couldn't possibly be a Republican as they now are because I have ovaries, it just comes down to my shaking my head and yelling "... fucking WHAT?"
6th-Oct-2006 07:54 pm (UTC)
Go see my last post on Katherine Harris for a clear illustration on why being female & Republican is just wierd.
6th-Oct-2006 07:59 pm (UTC)
I did see it, but I can't view video from here, so I won't be able to appreciate the full effect until I get home tonight.
6th-Oct-2006 08:01 pm (UTC)
I anxiously await your response!
6th-Oct-2006 05:54 pm (UTC)
Amen, amen, a-fucking-MEN!!!!
Man, i have always hated these douchebags. They do NOTHING for our cause. Actually, i've started wondering lately, if this whole mess doesn't actually hurt ALL gays in that the dipshits that follow dubya can say, "SEE?? Them thar sneaky faggots are EVERYwhere and tricky too!! They're all pedophiles!!" "Yeah, and them damn molestin' priests made 'im that way!!" AAAAARRRRRGGGGHHHHH!!!!!!
6th-Oct-2006 05:57 pm (UTC)
Well big fucking surprise.

"Page scandal a 'calamity for gay Republicans...'"

No no.. it's a calamity for PEDOPHILE republicans. GET THE FUCKING STORY RIGHT.

But the log cabin repukes see nothing wrong with wringing their hands and wrapping their corpses, made bloody and maimed by their own actions, around the latest 'cause celebre des conservatifes'... drag the fags out and stomp on them even though pedophilia and homosexuality are no more connected than heterosexuality and car stereo shopping.

Can someone please haul the log cabin traitors in front of a fabulously dressed firing squad and put them out of their misery before they sell the rest of us down the river to the conservative glue factory?
6th-Oct-2006 05:59 pm (UTC)
So do you feel the same way about gay Christians? Why or why not?

(I know you're friends with several Christians, but that's not what I'm asking....)
6th-Oct-2006 06:50 pm (UTC)
Not at all. I don't pretend to understand it, but it's not the same thing, at least not by the same intensity of degrees. A person's belief system and values are one thing, but it's not the same as belonging to a group that makes declarative actions AGAINST people like themselves politically. The LCR actively work alongside groups that actively lobby against the GLBT members of society, enshrining legislation designed to discriminate into the Constitution at state & federal levels, as one example.

A person having a faith in something I will never understand (nor would want to, frankly) doesn't work against ME, although I will admit I find it very self defeating to be gay & Christian, because I find that homosexuality and scripture are incompatible. Consider Leviticus - I rest my case.

If you want to break Christianity down into religious factions, then the answer is yes, absolutely - depending on which is virulently anti-gay, in particular the Catholics and Southern Baptists. Conversely, I'm a big supporter of the Christian Alliance For Progress, one of the VERY few organizations that I think have a good direction and message.
7th-Oct-2006 03:15 am (UTC)
Scripture is open to interpretation. Even the "fundamentalists" have some things they don't take literally; there's just a spectrum as to how much logic and context you allow to color your reading. I by no means identify as a gay christian, but I went through enough Catholic school to know about it. For one thing, many people in a given religion are "close-enough"; if the local perish doesn't make a huge deal out of the gay issue, then they'll keep showing up and respectfully disagree or whatever. More importantly, the example you gave is ignored definitely by Catholicism as well as many other forms of Christianity. Almost no one actually follows Levitican law; I could get into the reasons but frankly it's dull and you probably don't care. Just wanted to throw that out there though; it is possible (for some) to reconcile a christian religious identity with a non hetero sexual orientation.
7th-Oct-2006 12:14 pm (UTC)
Goody, I was waiting for this - thanks for being the one to point it out!

If the Bible is to be interpreted literally as is supposed to be the case, then why exactly is it that Christians find it acceptable to edit out the bits they don't like or don't suit them in the design for living? How is that keeping to the faith when it's really holding parts of it to scrutiny?

How can it be all or nothing in a situation like that?
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6th-Oct-2006 07:48 pm (UTC)
You've hit the bottom line, though - the party is not what it was founded on and sadly never will be again. It's now the party of Fundamentalists, and once that took hold, it became a deathgrip. Of course it's fashion politically speaking, but it worked.

Given these circumstances, the GOP will never see even the MOST well-versed gay conservative as anything more than a potential target or laughingstock. And why should they, really, given that we're all sinners and the base is millions of rubberstamping Jesus freaks? Where is there even competition in that?
6th-Oct-2006 07:20 pm (UTC)
Any venom directed their way is deserved, and I think they're a complete sham.

uh, no. i'd like to see some less venom spraying. that's what in my book republicans and their pundits do, you know?

i hold no truck with the republican party of today. but that doesn't mean that i think directing all kinds of venom upon people who feel they've got to change a party from within is a good thing. they're getting plenty of that from their own now with the conflation of gay with pedophile, which damn, that must hurt, and it's WRONG. that's most definitely not the kind of venom i'd be spitting myself.

i don't know that i could make the personal sacrifices it requires, but openly gay people within the republican party are good for gays overall in the long run, just like openly gay christians have overall been a good thing for gays -- many christian churches have become more accepting of gays within my own lifetime. the mills of acceptance grind exceedingly slow, but they'd not be grinding at all if people with strong prejudices didn't occasionally discover "one of those" amongst themselves. you linked to a mother jones article, but did you read it? the log cabin republicans did NOT endorse bush for the 2004 elections. how does this support your "self-loathing" argument? they took action within their party against the bush backwards social movement. you have a much too monolithic image of the republican party (i understand, i make the same mistake; it's an easy one to make these days).

this republican party isn't the be all and end all of republican parties, unless the bushites manage to completely run it into the ground. and any change isn't gonna come from the outside, isn't gonna come from people like us criticising them, but from within.

though, i didn't notice right away, you already invoked godwin's law. sorry for inserting some thought into the rant. :)
6th-Oct-2006 07:41 pm (UTC)
Ugh, Godwin's Law - I get it, I get it.

Yes, I already knew that the LRC backed off of Dubya in the last election, but it really was more saving face than anything as they were denied a spot at the RNC and it was pissing them off, it was pretty disingenuous of them. They were critical of GLBT people being used as a wedge issue o differnet fronts, but still - where were the people on the inside who were towing the line for them? If any change in favor of LCR happens, it'll happen because the EXISTING GOP collective gives up on taking advantage of evangelicals and chooses a different tactic, but that's notlikely to ever happen.

The LCR are of little concern to conservatives, they have nothing real to bargain with. And really, given the platforms on which they run, why should they give a shit about LCR? They have Jesus on their side already, why fuck that up with a bunch of avowed sinners? They'll never see even the MOST well-versed gay conservative as anything more than a potential target or laughingstock.

The party stopped being what it was founded on long ago, it's not likely they're going to regress back into a time when Republican meant Democrat and vice versa.

Insofar as the venom issue, I respect your position - but I'm not the guy who will look the other way and play nice - that doesn't work for me. I don't love the hand that beats me.
6th-Oct-2006 07:47 pm (UTC)
"I don't love the hand that beats me. "

GOd, you make me SO horny! :D

In an intellectual and political capacity of course... *halo*
6th-Oct-2006 07:53 pm (UTC)
You actually made me LOL!

*secretly wishes I was the type that enjoyed getting fisted and that your hand hated me*

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