One of the regular panelists on George Stephanopolous's show (an editor) just called ABC the "handmaiden" of the administration. She was talking in response to George Will's repeated snarking that basically, any liberal who has a problem with this ABC movie, is getting back exactly what the conservatives had to put up with with "Fahrenheit 9/11."
So, no, we're not going to see any version of the truth tonight - what we're going to see is a big millions-dollar Bush-stamped "neener neener" at anyone who dared to believe - and applaud - anything in the past few years that has made Bush & Co. look like exactly what they are: Paralyzing leeches greedily swallowing the life's blood of every subjec- er, citizen, under their control.
It's interesting that when the Reagan 'docudrama' was going to air, the Repukelicans screamed bloody murder and a number of inconvenient FACTS were edited out to make him seem more competent.. but whem Dems scream bloody murder to have a number of quantified LIES excised from a similar project, suddenly it's fascism and an end to free speech.
There's nothing the repukes won't do to cling to power, that includes defacing the memory of 3000 dead men and women(who they probably offed in an inside job, but regardless...)
I don't know that they "offed" those people, but they sure as hell knew it was coming and allowed it to happen. Rice admitted as much when she told the Commission she'd warned a mayoral friend of hers on the West Coast not to get on an airplane between particular dates (which happened to straddle 9/11/01).
Steel from the WTC whisked away to China within a day or 2, actually destroying a crime scene.. no investigation of the materials, given that any traces of explosives used (controlled demolition say, how did the #7 building collapse on itself again?) would be found on it.. Key airforce units ALL out on 'training' that day.. retrained from engaging passenger jets.. WTC owner just having insured the building agains terrorism, reaping billions of dollars in profit because he had wanted to tear down the building but it was an easbestos nightmare.. TRILLIONS of dollars missing from the Pentagon, apparentlyh no idea where it went.. 3 of the supposed hijackers have been found ALIVE in other countries..
There's just too much coincindence happening, and too much suspicious behavior all pointing to INSIDE JOB. Hell PNAC pretty much spells it out.. a traumatic event would provide a reason for the US to invade a number of middle eastern countries and extend American hegemony across the globe.
Contrary to what a lot of people say, it wouldn't take that many people to cause this.. just a core group issuing orders. Do recall, most of the people in this admin are the freaks responsible for the Vietnam war and Nixon, the gulf of tonkin lies that started it.. it has the same footprint..
I'd read that before somewhere, about some of the 19 hijackers being found alive after 9/11. Is that really true? The site I read it on was not one that lent itself to great fonts of truth, to be honest ...
the 'inside job" theory is an extraordinary claim, and i've become a believer in the idea that extraordinary claims *require* extraordinary evidence. i'm not saying it isn't possible. i'm just saying that no one has come forward with the level of evidence that i personally would need to see to believe that even this group of war criminals would be capable of that. i, personally, am far more ready to believe that they allowed it to happen in order to see their plans for the middle east realized, but no one has even been able to prove anything beyond pure incompetence before 9/11 and pure exploitation of the event afterward.
plus, i want to add that these crooks (i refuse to say freaks, i know freaks, i am a freak, and these assholes are no freaks!) were not part of the gulf of tonkin lies. that was during the johnson administration, and most of the neo-cons in this administration came from nixon's administration, not johnson's.
as for WTC#7... the book: "Grand Illusion: The Untold Store of Rudy Giuliani and 9/11" tells of giuliani's decision to put the emergency response control center into #7, on the 23rd floor, instead of underground like all of the expert consultants had recommended. this meant that all of the reserve fuel that would be needed in a crisis, was also stored in #7! i'm far more inclined to believe that the sudden explosion of all this fuel had more to do with the destruction of the building than any other theory i've heard so far.
"i'm just saying that no one has come forward with the level of evidence that i personally would need to see to believe that even this group of war criminals would be capable of that"
What evidence there WAS was either destroyed, carried off, or is under lock and key never to see the light of day. Still, even the most elementary issues were never touched upon by that whitewash 9/11 commission.. nobody was sworn in, same with evidence.. it was a dog and pony show.
Secondly, even if a couple floors of the #7 building had been absolutely LOADED with fuel.. when it went off, you'd get 2 detroyed floors lATERALLY, lots of glass, computer and whatever else that was inside out on the street and probably some fire damage. It would not pancake a building like a controlled demolition.
"that whitewash 9/11 commission.. nobody was sworn in, same with evidence.. it was a dog and pony show."
i'm still amazed that more people weren't pissed off about this! you expect us to believe that you are telling the truth, yet you won't allow them to swear you in?? if you aren't lying, than why are you afraid to be sworn in!!??
"It would not pancake a building like a controlled demolition."
i don't know how #7 was designed, but if it was anything like the two main towers, than it's collapse had more to do with how it was built rather than how it was attacked. essentially, the two towers were designed to be a small square tube (housing the stairwells and elevators) inside a larger tube (main office space.) the floors were then basically 'hung' inside the main tube. once the floors lost structural integrity from the heat (melting temp does not need to be reached for this to happen) then the shock of one floor collapsing onto another pancakes the whole structure. it looks like a controlled collapse because the whole thing takes place *inside* the main tube.
simply put, for me to believe this theory, i would have to conflate two things that, to me, conflict heavily. to pull this off, they would either have had to be planning this for years (there are reports of some of the terrorists training years in advance. even if they were fake terrorists, they would have to be planted in advance.) or, they would have had to put this all together within 9 months. bush was only just sworn into office the january before the attacks. yet still, with either years of planning or a level of competence this administration has never shown since, they still managed to frame the wrong guy! if they did this so they could make the case for iraq, then why frame osama? he wasn't even on their radar, even after clinton told them that he would be their number one threat. they clearly wanted to blame saddam from the start, and osama never even took credit until the evidence was already pointing at him. so if the government wanted a reason to attack iraq, and they did this in order to do so, then it doesn't make sense for them to not also plant evidence pointing to the target they wanted to hit. that's my number one reason for disbelief. they can't be both that competent and that stupid all at once.
So, no, we're not going to see any version of the truth tonight - what we're going to see is a big millions-dollar Bush-stamped "neener neener" at anyone who dared to believe - and applaud - anything in the past few years that has made Bush & Co. look like exactly what they are: Paralyzing leeches greedily swallowing the life's blood of every subjec- er, citizen, under their control.
There's nothing the repukes won't do to cling to power, that includes defacing the memory of 3000 dead men and women(who they probably offed in an inside job, but regardless...)
There's just too much coincindence happening, and too much suspicious behavior all pointing to INSIDE JOB. Hell PNAC pretty much spells it out.. a traumatic event would provide a reason for the US to invade a number of middle eastern countries and extend American hegemony across the globe.
Contrary to what a lot of people say, it wouldn't take that many people to cause this.. just a core group issuing orders. Do recall, most of the people in this admin are the freaks responsible for the Vietnam war and Nixon, the gulf of tonkin lies that started it.. it has the same footprint..
plus, i want to add that these crooks (i refuse to say freaks, i know freaks, i am a freak, and these assholes are no freaks!) were not part of the gulf of tonkin lies. that was during the johnson administration, and most of the neo-cons in this administration came from nixon's administration, not johnson's.
as for WTC#7... the book: "Grand Illusion: The Untold Store of Rudy Giuliani and 9/11" tells of giuliani's decision to put the emergency response control center into #7, on the 23rd floor, instead of underground like all of the expert consultants had recommended. this meant that all of the reserve fuel that would be needed in a crisis, was also stored in #7! i'm far more inclined to believe that the sudden explosion of all this fuel had more to do with the destruction of the building than any other theory i've heard so far.
What evidence there WAS was either destroyed, carried off, or is under lock and key never to see the light of day. Still, even the most elementary issues were never touched upon by that whitewash 9/11 commission.. nobody was sworn in, same with evidence.. it was a dog and pony show.
Secondly, even if a couple floors of the #7 building had been absolutely LOADED with fuel.. when it went off, you'd get 2 detroyed floors lATERALLY, lots of glass, computer and whatever else that was inside out on the street and probably some fire damage. It would not pancake a building like a controlled demolition.
i'm still amazed that more people weren't pissed off about this! you expect us to believe that you are telling the truth, yet you won't allow them to swear you in?? if you aren't lying, than why are you afraid to be sworn in!!??
"It would not pancake a building like a controlled demolition."
i don't know how #7 was designed, but if it was anything like the two main towers, than it's collapse had more to do with how it was built rather than how it was attacked. essentially, the two towers were designed to be a small square tube (housing the stairwells and elevators) inside a larger tube (main office space.) the floors were then basically 'hung' inside the main tube. once the floors lost structural integrity from the heat (melting temp does not need to be reached for this to happen) then the shock of one floor collapsing onto another pancakes the whole structure. it looks like a controlled collapse because the whole thing takes place *inside* the main tube.
simply put, for me to believe this theory, i would have to conflate two things that, to me, conflict heavily. to pull this off, they would either have had to be planning this for years (there are reports of some of the terrorists training years in advance. even if they were fake terrorists, they would have to be planted in advance.) or, they would have had to put this all together within 9 months. bush was only just sworn into office the january before the attacks. yet still, with either years of planning or a level of competence this administration has never shown since, they still managed to frame the wrong guy! if they did this so they could make the case for iraq, then why frame osama? he wasn't even on their radar, even after clinton told them that he would be their number one threat. they clearly wanted to blame saddam from the start, and osama never even took credit until the evidence was already pointing at him. so if the government wanted a reason to attack iraq, and they did this in order to do so, then it doesn't make sense for them to not also plant evidence pointing to the target they wanted to hit. that's my number one reason for disbelief. they can't be both that competent and that stupid all at once.