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29th-Jan-2006 01:41 pm
Toowuk amongst y'selves, I'll give you a topic: This Christian Right is neethah, discuss...

No, really - comment with anything you feel like, that's the entire point of an open thread, to get discussions going with one another.

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29th-Jan-2006 06:54 pm (UTC)
The Christian Right is hilarious, to me. Just a bunch of religious maniacs who are hellbent on persecution. I find it immensely amusing to watch them go at it with every corner of society.
29th-Jan-2006 07:17 pm (UTC)
It is most amusing... my school is intensely liberal, so it's funny watching the few droplets of the religious right attempt any sort of conversion or damnation.

One girl who always asked me if I knew Jesus ("My answer hasn't change since the last SIXTY times you asked me...") was so shocked to find out one of my friends was gay, she sat down hard and said, "Oh boo, what happened?" with this concerned look on her face. She then went on and on and on about hell. Unfortunately, he was too polite to cut her off.

Ah well. It made for entertainment, at the very least.
29th-Jan-2006 08:10 pm (UTC)
the only thing that comes to mind right now is that the above character looks remarkably like my grandmother...uncanny resemblance, really...
29th-Jan-2006 08:48 pm (UTC)
they are hilarious, and mostly harmless.

till I think of the behind the scenes scheming.... and... meeeega churches.


also, coincidence? I was thinking about Coffee talk over the past week!
29th-Jan-2006 10:53 pm (UTC)
It's more like Christians That Insist They're Right And If You Disagree Then It's Hellfire And Damnation From Their Groupthink Despite Their Total Lack Of Intelligence On Such Matters™.
29th-Jan-2006 10:59 pm (UTC)
being raised hardcore fundamentalist...it is such a violent pull on my heart...

yesterday at my parents house...while trimming my dad's beard (he really can't do it himself anymore)...Mom got on the phone with a prayer partner...and immediately started praying in tongues...I was so antsy...so uncomfortable...I wanted to scream...I wanted to cry.....because so much of what they believe is everything I am not....but I see the other side too...I see the conviction..the belief..the joy that is the most common part of life...honest..she does not live to judge or persecute..she lives for the faith that will get her thru..and I am so torn I can't see straight (no pun intended)....I've been wanting to post about it for a while..but I dont know where to begin...I have such fond memories of growing up in church..laying on grandma's lap...singing.....the good memories...not the oppressive harmful judgemental ones...
I want to scream back that they are wrong..as they will obviously want to scream it at me...but I can't...not now...I can still hear songs about faith...hope...love ...joy....comfort and rest...and just melt into tears...it rips my heart out...I dont know what to think
with every thing you hear about fundamentalist judgements....we were the protestant christians surrounded by jews and catholics...and my mother made very certain that ...for just as real as our beliefs were to us...theirs meant just as much to them..so we were NOT to judge..but to respect what their faith is to them..and learn from it..and hope that it made us better for the understanding...so..don't tell me she is a dimwitted lemming looking for something to tell her how to live...I know these people as gentle quiet country people that would do anything for anyone with out question and without worry of the sacrifice...
as with so much....the larger representatives of the faith make the whole following look like ...well..idiots
so...I'm constantly torn with what to believe
jsut my point of view..thanks for letting me babble
30th-Jan-2006 01:18 am (UTC)
It's funny you said that.

My Mom was always a VERY liberal church go'er when I was a child. She took me to every church within driving distance so that I would appreciate others. As she is getting older she's gotten in with a group that would rather see me roast in hell than exist. You can tell each time that she is around me that she's pulled in two directions.
30th-Jan-2006 07:47 am (UTC)
We need more people like your mom Andy, and I would LOVE to meet the woman.

I was raised in a fire and brimstone, speaking in tongues Pentacostal church. I was one of those that would go knocking on doors and inviting people to attend church with us. And this all at a very young age. I now believe that they had us kids going along to play on those people. Anyway, at the time I was taking ballet lessons (I was 13) and came up with the idea of creating a ballet on the life of Christ. The whole birth to death to resurrection thing. A *ballet*!. I went to the pastor of our church at the time, very excited about spreading the word of God in such a way. He sat quietly as I told him my idea and then he broke my heart.

He told me I was a Jezabel and that by wanting to do this, I was wanting to bring lust into men's eyes. I WAS 13 FUCKING YEARS OLD! I still thought boys were icky at this time!

I told my father about this and he immediately pulled me out of the church. (I attended with my older step brother, who is now a world wide evangalist for this church...who has also opened up more so to speak).

Hubby and I then attended a Baptist church and were very hurt by them also. Because we did not have money, they never had time for us. Even when asking for prayer help because he had injured his back and the docs thought he was going to be paralyzed. They did not come down to the hospital and support us like they preached should be done...they prayed with me over the phone and left me to sit in terror that my husband was going to be paralyzed all by myself. We left the church.

Now I have found my path. I have found my balance. My own Spirituality. I have never been happier.

So yes, we need more people like your mom. Those who say, "Oh you believe in a Goddess AND a God? If that is what you believe...then that is what's good for you."

That is what I teach in my coven. NOBODY'S belief is wrong. If it is what is in their heart...then it is right for them.

Love, Light and Laughter, Vesta Morgaine (High Priestess)
30th-Jan-2006 01:19 pm (UTC)
the issue there tho, Vesta...is...that is great for others...but not in her family..I'm sure you know what I mean
30th-Jan-2006 02:38 am (UTC)
I really for bigfundrew...what has happened to religion is almost like someone snatching away your mother and hiding her away JUST BECAUSE THEY THINK SHE NEEDS TO BE GONE. Respect for differences and respect for other religious beliefs are out the door, replaced by a theology that expects compliance without question and a harsh imposition of "approved" dogma upon everyone and everything without being able to question "WHY?" Apparently the Chosen Religion and Its Approved Beliefs aren't able to withstand the onslaught of Unapproved Demonic Every Other Religious Belief, otherwise, the followers wouldn't feel the need to suppress dissent.

Add to this that the reality of the new Religious Right is essentially a cult. Yes. I said it. A CULT. What's different from Charles Manson teaching his views and impressing his will upon the members of The Family and Pat Robertson doing the same thing upon his viewers--who then go marching away to kill off anyone (especially in Iraq and Afghanistan) who doesn't accept his world view? How is Jim Jones' ability to get his "flock" to sign over all their assets to his "church" and move them all to an isolated outpost off in the middle of the South American jungle any different from some of the current churches who expect bigger than average tithing, along with enrollment of kids in the church school, participation in the church social and religious events and classes throughout the week, and compliance with church teachings?

The Religious Right is nothing more than a big cult...and it's time that we started doing some serious de-programming to relieve the cult members of the ingrained propaganda that has entwined itself into their lives.
30th-Jan-2006 06:15 pm (UTC)
I think of the Christian Right people as the kind my Grandparents referred to as people who wear their religion on their sleeve.
What she means is that people have their religion on the outside, and not inside in their hearts.

Christianity is supposed to be about charity and helping others.
How is it that people only remember the Good Samaritan when it's conveneint to them?

It is scary, the way they are growing. They are more organized than free people, though. That's the only problem with freedom, it's the price we pay. Freedom doesn't demand organization... doesn't demand that you accept one single thing as the truth.

30th-Jan-2006 06:20 pm (UTC)
this is such a difficult one. the far right religious people are entitled to their beliefs, if only they didnt judge everyone elso so harshly. point is, it seems to be integral to those beliefs to do so.
to me it almost marrs the 'beauty' of the strength of their belief , to have this ..ugly ,judgemental side to it.
and the real problem is , they are convinced they are acting in our best interest , just as we are convinced they are buggin us for the fun of it.
whats to be done?
i dunno, on a personal level they make me squirm , on a wider scale they infringe personal freedom when they win a victory, even if all they want is a society with decent standardsi cant help but feel its all gone about in the wrong way
31st-Jan-2006 01:17 am (UTC)
In reference to the above… For many years I grew up going to church to “escape” what was going on in my own home and it was there that I found out just how crass, judge mental and hypocritical people could really be because I did not attend church with my family there who were a bunch of sinners that were going to rot in hell. Yes, I sought community there and so desperately wanted to fit in but at times I felt a lot of shame in that. Yes I too was torn, hurt and broken. My family was not and is still not perfect. I had participated in a lot of activities, worked in the nursery at church and yet I was as alone there as I was at home. Yes, I have had many experiences to back up what myself and others have echoed here. For me I thought no one else could or should be able to interpret what is between you and whom you choose to call your “God” or “Higher Power”. No one should be able to “Judge” you on that. No one can interpret that than which you have that relationship with that higher sense of self. I had enough toxic shame and toxic people in my life. I didn’t need it from people at church telling or there looks that told me I was different too. I went to a funeral of a friend and asked the Preacher where his son was after not seeing him for years his response was “K” has chosen to walk away from the “Lord” and is no longer welcomed in our home because of the life style he has chosen. That was one of the saddest days to hear that not only from a “preacher” but from a father about his own son. What kind of love, acceptance and tolerance does that teach? So what if your son is gay? I still love him can’t you? What was it he preached on? Oh yeah… we are all created in the image of God? And what was that? God is love? Ok, so you want us to what? Stop slagging on them? It’s not about slagging on them it’s our experiences. Yes, there are other churches and other places of worship but still similar experiences. And what’s funny too is to hear my own mother the granddaughter of a minister almost echoes the same feelings about what’s going on today. What I miss the most about church sometimes is the music too but I am not going to be torched by what others in a church want me to think or feel. I don’t want to be plastic to fit into a society like that. I am me and that’s all I can be.
31st-Jan-2006 01:19 am (UTC)
sorry I didn't auto format that... still new to this..
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1st-Feb-2006 02:45 pm (UTC)

No hard feelings at all... Experiences are just what they are.
2nd-Feb-2006 09:31 pm (UTC)
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4th-Feb-2006 11:39 am (UTC)
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4th-Feb-2006 03:09 pm (UTC)
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Hope your well
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