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7th-Nov-2008 08:42 am

Who's the bane of YOUR existence? Surely there's someone who pisses you off in such a huge way that it merits flogging, at least. 'Round here, we call that person a RAT BASTARD. Who is the person you most want to rip a new asshole for whatever reason? Go ahead - now's your chance to put them on blast. Start commenting, and have fun gettin' your hate on - and out. IP logging is off and anonymous commenters WERE welcome, but I've had to disable it since I've gotten six tons of bullshit spam comments lately. Sorry about that.

Go on - vent your spleen...

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7th-Nov-2008 01:43 pm (UTC)
The Prop 8 bigots, man. As they say where I come from, fuck that shit.
7th-Nov-2008 01:49 pm (UTC)
As a step to curb any cynical thought for this historic week, I will not consider anyone a rat bastard.

7th-Nov-2008 01:53 pm (UTC)
The Fags that are posting this crap:

"Let's turn this whole Prop 8 thing into something positive. Let's get out there and show our neighbors we're human beings. Let's be the change we want to see. Let's be wittier and more charming than ever before. Let's be even more docile and clownlike and win over their hearts with our pratfalls and zesty adjectives. Let's be cheeky little monkeys and dance for the masses! Dance, monkey Dance!"


I'm so not on that team.

I'm overwhelmingly happy Obama won.

But I'm pissed off that this historic election was polluted by the same ignorance that made it take 150 years for a black man to go from chains to the presidency.

I am angry that people are so brainwashed by their faiths that they could ignore the cognitive dissonance that arose when in one poetic monumental gesture, they are pushing a button to vote in a black president and bringing a symbolic emotional end to a centuries old struggle, and in another, taking away rights from a struggling minority group.

Given this, I doubt that being cutesy and charming will swing votes. Or enough votes. Their votes are forged in the fires of God and imprinted into their souls by the brainwashing of religious leaders. I don't think standing in front of a Mormon church holding up a pretty little sign decoupaged with puppies that says "You Hurt My Feewings" is going to matter much. Their God hates you. He told them so himself. Just ask them.

The only way to beat people like this, the Mormons, the Catholics, the poverty stricken most preyed upon by the industry of religion, is through the continual battle for the separation of church and state.

That is not a battle to be fought with charm and witticisms.

It's bloody. It's awful. And it can never, should never, be taking place in voting booths. It should never be subject to a popularity contest.

I'm perfectly content being unpopular. And our constitution supports my right to remain so while at the same time, giving me the same rights that every other citizen has.

I think the case to invalidate prop 8 is a solid one. And when it wins, then perhaps you might find me standing in front of a Mormon church. GLOATING.
7th-Nov-2008 01:58 pm (UTC)
That was awesome.

Edited at 2008-11-07 01:59 pm (UTC)
7th-Nov-2008 02:05 pm (UTC)
and how fucking sad is it that I am so sick of being bombarded by religious apologists that I don;t even want to put this in my own journal.
7th-Nov-2008 02:12 pm (UTC)
Cuz, I you're wearing yourself out politically.

You hinted at it yourself the other day.
7th-Nov-2008 02:05 pm (UTC)
I'm about to start a new community with close friends for this very purpose, and I promise to highlight some of your same concerns and irritations - because we share them. Frankly, I don't think this is just about 'us', and I'm irritated that more people aren't as pissed off as we are. Where the fuck is the collective outrage? Why is there not more being discussed, planned, and acted out in direct opposition to the religious tyranny against all of us?

There's a time and place for playing nice, but there's only so much I can take. I'm not content being labeled second or third class and I am tired of being fucked without my express permission and/or consent.

I'm with you in mind and spirit, and am looking to help start this arsonistic collective so that we may set new fires that will burn old ignorance to the ground. Talk is cheap unless you're talking in large enough numbers to the right people.

By the way, I welcome any ideas or suggestions you may have.
7th-Nov-2008 07:14 pm (UTC) - I do care! Pt 1
Jude you know I am for "human rights". The right for all to enjoy all aspects of freedoms given in the Constitution. I like you am fighting for my rights because of disabilities.

I post on my journal about the hell I am going through just to get a stair lift that I am legally entitled to by law already, but I am being denied over technicalities. With it I could sleep in my bedroom instead of our garage.

Where is the out rage for me and my family? I have been fighting for my rights alone, getting shuffled from one agency to another.Even disability agencies have not helped.

It is all a matter of where you stand in the line of biases as to what you see as oppression. Blacks feel they are oppressed, Hispanics feel they are more oppressed, women feel even more oppressed, and because they may be both Black and a woman or Hispanic and a woman they get hit by prejudices even more so. Add to that being Black, a woman and a gay one. How far out you can go to who is hurting more, or worse?

We are all hurting and in our hurting we don't always see the other person standing beside us that is suffering too and take up his cross with ours.

So I know what it feels like to wonder why no one else cares why no one else is screaming out at the injustice that would send my 23 year old daughter to a nursing home rather than allow my husband to be my PA? I know what it is like to have no one else but those who are disabled care about the rights of the disabled, just as much as the "us" as you put it care about your rights.

I have been doing a lot of research into the gay marriage right situation for a couple of years because *I do care* about your rights and the rights of others posting here who may be gay.

I study law books a lot and I have come up with a lot of ideas on how to maybe get rights for the gay community. Part of it centered on how African Americans got civil rights. Read Thurgood Marshalls book "Warrior at the Bar, Rebel on the Bench". It outlines how he got Brown v The Board of Education passed. It was not done by marching into a court demanding it all at once. It was done case by case. That is why the election of Obama has so much significance. He did not get there over night it was a lot of people putting their reputations, livelihoods and even their lives on the line.

First as far as marriage, it is a contract between two people. Very basic and simple. The constitution says "Article I, Section 10: "No State shall pass any law impairing the obligation of contracts." So shouldn't gay people be able to freely engage in a marital contract? Has this been tested in the courts? If not maybe a way to go as a first step.

I found an interesting article about contracts and prostitution. It is based on the premise that a citizen owns his own body and not the state, because if the state owns the right to tell you what you can do with your body (engaging into a contract with another freely) it would constitute slavery that struck me as interesting. "A central issue is whether a person owns his or her body. For the government or state to own our bodies would be slavery. But the Thirteenth Amendment abolished slavery. Clearly, this means that we as individuals own our bodies, not the state or government."

Maybe go after the Thirteenth Amendment abolishing slavery as a way around the state telling you what you can do with your body?

Next I would use the 14th Amendment of equal rights. One example below.

In the following Supreme Court decision read what Sandra Day OConner has to say about equal protection when it comes to homosexual sodomy. Take that a step further and think about the fact that if heterosexual people are allowed to make a contract to marry then wouldn't it meet the test of marriage based on substantive due process grounds?

This is the ruling.

Pt 2 next
7th-Nov-2008 07:15 pm (UTC) - Re: I do care! Pt 2
In Lawrence v. Texas (2003), the Court struck down a Texas statute prohibiting homosexual sodomy on substantive due process grounds. In Justice Sandra Day O'Connor's opinion concurring in the judgment, however, she argued that by prohibiting only homosexual sodomy, and not heterosexual sodomy as well, Texas's statute did not meet rational-basis review under the Equal Protection Clause; her opinion prominently cited City of Cleburne.

Notably, O'Connor did not claim to apply a higher level of scrutiny than mere rational basis, and the Court has not extended suspect-class status to sexual orientation. Much as in City of Cleburne, though, the Court's decision in Romer v. Evans (1996), on which O'Connor also relied in her Lawrence opinion, and which struck down a Colorado constitutional amendment aimed at denying homosexuals "minority status, quota preferences, protected status or [a] claim of discrimination," seemed to employ a markedly higher level of scrutiny than the nominally applied rational-basis test.[24] While the courts have applied rational-basis scrutiny to classifications based on sexual orientation, it has been argued that discrimination based on sex should be interpreted to include discrimination based on sexual orientation, in which case intermediate scrutiny could apply to gay rights cases.[25]

I don't know if my line of thinking is coming through in this post but what I'm trying to say is there are a lot of laws on the books already that can be used as stepping stones to get the rights you are looking for. It is a matter of getting some legal people gay or straight who care willing to take cases to court to test these laws on small case by small case like Thurgood Marshall did to build the case that will ultimately win all gay rights.

Hugs! Christina
7th-Nov-2008 02:52 pm (UTC)
I am very much on the same page as you. I have a difficult time seeing why on earth we should have to be nice, polite or whatever to the christian/mormon/whatever blowhards who insist on everything be done so as not to offend their delicate sense of morality or whatever they wish to call it.

7th-Nov-2008 02:41 pm (UTC)
Anti-gay marriage voters.

Other than that, it's been a pretty good week, you have to admit. There was even some voting down of oppressing women's rights shit here and there.
7th-Nov-2008 03:19 pm (UTC)
As much as I hate throwing stones, this week I'd like to aim one back at the Mormon Church, who, despite IRS regulations, violated its 501(c)(3) non-profit status by funneling tons of cash into the "Yes on 8" campaign. They don't want us to have any "special rights". Fine then. They shouldn't have any "special" tax-free rights either. They threw the first stones. We're just giving them back.
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7th-Nov-2008 10:18 pm (UTC)
"OK, so it was wrong, but it's OK for me to have done it because everybody else did it too" is an excuse often offered up by people arrested for mob violence. It doesn't work there, and it shouldn't work here either.
7th-Nov-2008 06:49 pm (UTC)
The asshole that thinks it is funny to show me Obama jokes when you know I support Obama. Grow the fuck up already and get your head out of your ass. And don't show me another stupid joke that some ignorant bonehead made up.

7th-Nov-2008 07:00 pm (UTC)
Much has been made of the religious right and the church donations who supported Prop 8.

But for my rat bastard/s, I'm going to go with all the "open minded", pro-equal rights Californians, with gay friends and co-workers and neighbors, who used Prop 8 to alleviate their purely visceral reaction to gay people in love and what that implied to their preconceived ideas of gender and sex. The ones who decided that just because they voted for Prop 8 didn't mean they were against gay people or equal rights or anything, but gosh darn it, it's just not natural. The ones who were ashamed enough to know that it was WRONG so they lied at the exit polls and said they voted against Prop 8, but weren't ashamed ENOUGH to actually vote against it on the real ballots.

I'm not half as furious at the religious folk, who I already knew wouldn't be able to separate church from state in their minds, as I am at these people. They are, to my mind, worse because THEY are the ones I expected more of, who should've known better.

Edited at 2008-11-07 07:03 pm (UTC)
8th-Nov-2008 11:52 am (UTC)
"Purely visceral reaction"? That's a good phrase!

I don't have such visceral reactions myself, but I know people who have them, so I know what you mean.
7th-Nov-2008 07:44 pm (UTC)
How about the L.A.P.D.: They crashed a protest against Prop 8 with some of their classic, old-school, Rodney King-style action, assaulting friends of a friend of mine: odds are pretty good they'll get away with it, too, despite there being video.

There's a million elegant, complicated and sophisticated ways of repairing, overhauling or correcting the current system; they slide by under such headings as "tolerance" and "understanding", fitting into slots that once held phrases like "separate but equal".

There's a million ways, all of them limp and ineffective; sometimes, when a structure has rotted badly enough, there's only one thing to do.

Burn it. Burn it down and start again.
7th-Nov-2008 08:13 pm (UTC)
Wow. That is ridiculous. Why is it okay for someone to stand on the street and preach or knock on your door and harrass you about there beliefs (when it is regarding church or god)but not okay for someone to stand on the streets protesting their rights? the rights they deserve that other people are getting.

I'm sorry this happened to your friends.
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