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This Moved Me To Tears 
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3rd-Feb-2008 04:43 pm (UTC)
Damn....
3rd-Feb-2008 04:44 pm (UTC)
[speechless]
3rd-Feb-2008 05:31 pm (UTC)
I saw this on Roy/inbhirnis' LJ this morning.

http://inbhirnis.livejournal.com/57128.html

It's pretty amazing.
3rd-Feb-2008 05:32 pm (UTC)
Sure, it's a feel-good video.

But what makes Obama better than Hillary, who has so much more experience?
3rd-Feb-2008 07:04 pm (UTC)
Experience isn't all it's been cracked up to be, history in this particular case (as well as personal experience) also speaks to that.

He's a visionary with a purpose and the intelligence and moxie to pull it off, he has fresh and original ideas and nowhere near the political baggage, he wants (and intends) to affect real change, and he's consistent on his issues.

Experience is the deciding factor for me - it's ability. Bottom line, I
BELIEVE
in Barack Obama, where as I
WANT
to believe in Hillary Clinton, but don't.
3rd-Feb-2008 07:46 pm (UTC) - You believe in this "visionary" who has done nothing yet......
...but you don't believe someone who has given you results......damn, that's a leap of faith......don't know if I give my leadership that much responsibility..the "fall" is too great!!!!

Be careful what you wish for, you might get disappointed in the outcome.......

3rd-Feb-2008 07:57 pm (UTC) - Re: You believe in this "visionary" who has done nothing yet......
Read his book "The Audacity Of Hope". It's politics, Paulie - it's ALL a leap of faith, degrees notwithstanding. I think the fall would be equally great with Hillary, should she not perform up to par. It's a matter of who you believe in at this point, much can and will happen in coming months before I'm sold on either of them.
3rd-Feb-2008 09:07 pm (UTC) - Re: You believe in this "visionary" who has done nothing yet......
I think if they understand they both can win together, they would work to that end....The problem is the "insurgencies" behind the Anti-Clinton forces is incredible.....

and then you have Obama supporters who don't want to work with a Clinton nomination...how the hell are they going to "break bread" with the GOP in DC if they can't deal with their own party????
3rd-Feb-2008 10:29 pm (UTC) - Re: You believe in this "visionary" who has done nothing yet......
I concur with you!
3rd-Feb-2008 06:01 pm (UTC)
I will be reposting this video on my journal. I was moved to tears. What a great message.
3rd-Feb-2008 06:20 pm (UTC)
You might be interested in this. I thought you might want to talk to her about using it in vote_smart.
3rd-Feb-2008 07:58 pm (UTC)
Awesome - will message her now! Thanks, love! Feeling better?
4th-Feb-2008 03:43 am (UTC)
Feeling much, much better. Still worn out and in some pain, but over all doing very well. Can't complain, really.
3rd-Feb-2008 06:44 pm (UTC)
Thank you for sharing this. I posted it on my Facebook to pass it on!
3rd-Feb-2008 07:44 pm (UTC) - Specifics????
Yes we can...do what????? There is a mess left in the White House...please give me details...Thank you.....
3rd-Feb-2008 07:55 pm (UTC) - Re: Specifics????
If I decide later on that I'm totally supporting him (which is where I'm leaning), then all of the specifics will be given in a future post. I'm still undecided at the moment.

Indeed - a HUGE mess, no matter who gets it.
3rd-Feb-2008 09:05 pm (UTC) - Re: Specifics????
Its not a mess babe...The GOP wants to run against Obama and skewer him......

a Hillary/Obama ticket is unstoppable.....they would love to see us "divide and conquer"......

3rd-Feb-2008 10:28 pm (UTC) - Re: Specifics????
Oh, they want the same blood from Hillary - have for years.

Oh this point, I couldn't agree more. Clinton/Obama = WIN.
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3rd-Feb-2008 10:33 pm (UTC)
I'll agree to mostly disagree. To me, it's about ability and potential over experience or hope at this point. Much about her is unproven and unknown to this point, least of all a consistent stand on many issues. Not that I'm writing her off at all, on the contrary I'm warming to her a lot these days!

Lots will happen in coming months, and we've yet to see their true character get revealed under intensifying pressure and scrutiny - and the worst of that is yet to come.

I think that a Clinton/Obama campaign would be unstoppable, as paulie said earlier.
4th-Feb-2008 05:17 pm (UTC) - Let me ask you this...
what happens when Bill's Mr. Happy gets him in trouble with another young woman while he's First Husband?

Do you want another media frenzy surrounding a president's personal life?

The Clintons may still be married only because of political gain, but America does not need another fiasco in the White House.





4th-Feb-2008 05:27 pm (UTC) - Re: Let me ask you this...
WOW. Just WOW. Kinda stunned on this one, never thought about it because it simply is of no consequence to me.

I'm sure that his wife will probably kick his ass and then decide what happens after that. Or perhaps they have an arrangement. Either way, I doubt he'd ever cavort with someone who would need to lie to protect him.

The nature of the media is to pounce on any and everything, so yes - all in an administration would do well to keep everything clean.

Comparatively speaking, Bill Clinton could fuck the entire staff of the west wing and still not come anywhere near creating the fiasco that currently resides there. He stained a dress and lied to people, including his wife. It's not like he killed scores of people via unnecessary war, was responsible for the largest deficit in history, destroyed our credibility amongst our allies and the world community, broke federal laws left right and center...

Even if their marriage is a business arrangement and nothing more, so what? Who are any of us to judge their relationship when we're neither of the people in it?
10th-Feb-2008 08:30 am (UTC) - Hokay. So.
Everybody keeps talking about Hillary's "experience" as first lady. What experience? She was not an elected official and didn't operate in any official capacity. She wouldn't have been asked to sit in on any top secret meetings or come to international summits. Sure, she had the chance to grill Bill (oh, I slay me) in bed (since obviously they weren't doing anything else in it). But what was he allowed to talk to her about at the end of the day? Do we really believe that the US government lets the spouse of the President actually do official government duties beyond all the social niceties and P.R. photo opps?

Which doesn't mean she didn't get to see a lot of things in action and pick up some pointers along the way. That's still not personal presidential experience and she ain't been a Senator too much longer than Barack.

I like her well enough (though the mud-slinging is getting on my nerves lately, Hil) but I like Barack better. When I look at what Barack did before getting into office and what Hillary did before getting into office, I definitely like Barack better.

As an associate attorney with Miner, Barnhill & Galland from 1993 to 1996, he represented community organizers, discrimination claims, and voting rights cases.[29] He was a lecturer of constitutional law at the University of Chicago Law School from 1993 until his election to the U.S. Senate in 2004.[30]

Now, back to arguing with Right Wing Nut-Jobs on YouTube (why yes, I am glutton for punishment). Thanks for posting this btw, it's awesome!
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