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12th-Nov-2005 02:05 pm
Here's one of the reasons the creationists are grandstanding about the role of science as a whole, but espeically where it plays into the minds of the impressionable. Well, I could argue that to believe at all and claim a faith in something supernatural would make one impressionable or at least suspect - but that would require more more energy than I'm willing to give today.
The temperature of Heaven can be rather accurately computed. Our authority is Isaiah 30:26, "Moreover, the light of the Moon shall be as the light of the Sun and the light of the Sun shall be sevenfold, as the light of seven days." Thus Heaven receives from the Moon as much radiation as we do from the Sun, and in addition 7 x 7 (49) times as much as the Earth does from the Sun, or 50 times in all.

The light we receive from the Moon is one 1/10,000 of the light we receive from the Sun, so we can ignore that.

The radiation falling on Heaven will heat it to the point where the heat lost by radiation is just equal to the heat received by radiation, i.e., Heaven loses 50 times as much heat as the Earth by radiation. Using the Stefan-Boltzmann law for radiation, (H/E)^4 = 50, where E is the absolute temperature of the earth (300ºK), gives H as 798ºK (525ºC).

The exact temperature of Hell cannot be computed. However, Revelation 21:8 says "But the fearful, and unbelieving ... shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone." A lake of molten brimstone [sulphur] means that its temperature must be at or below its boiling point, 444.6ºC.

We have, then, that Heaven, at 525ºC is hotter than Hell at 445ºC.
Science is the threatning pull to a thread that can logically unravel their protective cloth. Not unlike the Shroud of Turin. Which is kind of funny to me. I remember a fundie way back in my early online days that tried to spar with me about being part of the Stanford think tank that analyzed the shroud in an effort to authenticate it, I'm sure voxie remembers him. Good times.

Even my friends/loved ones who ARE devout look at these wingnuts like they're insane. Believe what you want, but have a better argument than faith if your aim is to try and discredit fact supported evidential theory.
12th-Nov-2005 07:16 pm (UTC)
I saw a really awesome documentary on the History Channel about a current theory that the Shroud of Turin was a hoax done by Leonardo DaVinci. It was awesome -- well thought out, and just ironic enough that I can see it as being Master DaVinci's last laugh.
12th-Nov-2005 08:54 pm (UTC)
Minus 300 kelvin???

I'm hoping I'm misrembering physics... or that that's a typo... Because as I remember it 0 degrees K is absolute zero, 273 K is 0 C.

Still, that's a fun little way to poke holes in Pat Robertson's decaying skin.

PS: Googled kelvin... hmmm, yup.
12th-Nov-2005 08:55 pm (UTC)
you get a gold star. Kelvin and Rankine are both absolute scales...in other words always positive! oh, that negative sign burns me! BURNS ME I tell you! (does that mean I am in heaven?! lol)
12th-Nov-2005 09:17 pm (UTC)
I'm adding you for the Mr. Fibbles icon alone!
12th-Nov-2005 09:07 pm (UTC)
LOL...actually, I was thinking the same thing...
12th-Nov-2005 09:09 pm (UTC)
In googling "absolute temperature of the earth" I found that minus sign is a typo! Quick, jude, remove it!

Here's the link...


Here's the money quote...

"where E is the absolute temperature of the earth, 300 K (273+27)"
12th-Nov-2005 09:49 pm (UTC)
I dunno...sounds like the calculation was done by someone well-schooled in "new math" (GRIN)
12th-Nov-2005 10:06 pm (UTC)
Dear Jude,

I am really insulted by your constant critcism of the lord, Jesus Christ. So I submit for enlightenment, 300 Proofs of the existence of God I particularly favor #73 and I would take it as a kindness if you would carefully read all of these Proofs. I am sure faith will find you.

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