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14th-Apr-2005 07:24 pm
It's fun to point and laugh at idiots, and even more fun to refute their bullshit with factual proof that they're fucking lemmings, and a nice verbal bitchslap never hurt. I got her twice so far, more as it merits...


To her charge that "God didn't create homosexuals. Homosexuality is a CHOICE...people are not born homosexuals" I replied:
By that standard of logic then you, as a professed heterosexual, were clearly homosexual before you actively chose to be straight. By your own admision, you yourself (nor any other professed heterosexual, in as sweeping a generalization as you've made here) were not born heterosexual, it was a choice you made. You cannot have it both ways.
To her charge that "Being a HOMO is a CHOICE. Get off your high horse. Give me some proof I'm wrong. Can you find any? No...because you are full of crap."I replied:
You asked for proof.

I got more: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/11/071107170741.htm
14th-Apr-2005 11:40 pm (UTC)
She really needs her feeding tube removed. I wouldn't mind such arguments if they were actually novel and original, but they're the same thing, in and out, and have been for years. Fundamentalist rhetoric is more stale than my grandmother's cooch.
15th-Apr-2005 01:55 am (UTC)
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15th-Apr-2005 01:07 am (UTC)
I hit her up on a flaw in using levitical law, too. My favorite example of poor translation of the King James Bible is Deut. 21:18-21

az, ani m'daber eevreet... hi lo yodata eevreet...
hehe, she's never gonna unscreen that one...
15th-Apr-2005 01:11 am (UTC)
What does it mean? Anyways, this chick is sad...
15th-Apr-2005 01:23 am (UTC)
so... I speak Hebew... she doesn't understand Hebrew
15th-Apr-2005 01:43 am (UTC)
you speak hebrew? awesome. i really admire you for that...

Hey, thanks for being a voice too. A lot of people here are really inspiring to me. Keep it up.
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15th-Apr-2005 01:37 am (UTC)
I prefer a star of david ;)
15th-Apr-2005 05:47 am (UTC) - Re:Speaking Hebrew
I am currently editing a manuscript where the author, a Jewish doctor, is not spelling the name "God," but using "G-d" as the spelling, and this anti-gay, bible-thumping person of whom we speak tried to correct someone about their "misspelling" of the word God because they used "G-d." They tried to explain to her that God's name cannnot be spelled out. my question to you is, can you speak the name out loud? If not, what do you call God?
15th-Apr-2005 11:14 am (UTC) - Re:Speaking Hebrew
generally, you say, "hashem" or, "the name", but English is a bit different than Hebrew. I say the whole english word, but when talking to a mostly Jewish audience, I'll just say hashem because people know what I mean.
15th-Apr-2005 01:52 am (UTC)
Yeah, that's a good one -- I don't do Hebrew myself, so all I know about the KJV's funny take on the Hebrew Bible is from what my professors and fellow seminarians tell me. (I plan to take it sometime, but my courseload has been prohibitive, to say the least.) However, a semester of Koine Greek has taught me that 'abusers of themselves with mankind' is not only a phrase that has no meaning in English, it's from a word Paul mostly made up.

To say nothing of I Corinthians 11's 'because of the angels.' WTF, Mr. of Tarsus? I'd bet money that he'd run out of arguments and figured a random reference to divine beings should be enough to convince women to do to their hair whatever he wanted them to do with their hair (I've spent some time with that passage and it remains yet unclear).
15th-Apr-2005 02:03 am (UTC)
Hebrew is delightfully straightfoward (most of the time).

I miss being able to speak it regularly =(
15th-Apr-2005 01:56 am (UTC)
I know, I'm about to copy and paste my responses thus far.
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15th-Apr-2005 12:09 am (UTC)
WHOA! Wierd, I wonder what happened?
15th-Apr-2005 12:10 am (UTC)
Nevermind, it was a borked linked - all fixed.
15th-Apr-2005 12:44 am (UTC)
I wonder what she's so afraid of. In all her 17 years what could possibly have happened to create such a phobic response. I could almost understand it in a male but a girl? And she's so typically always right and never wrong. We needs to send her to Iraq where she could do some good.
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15th-Apr-2005 01:53 am (UTC)
Yes thats it...she has to take that stance, or her just as scary mom might kill her for coming out as a lesbian...hehe
15th-Apr-2005 01:56 am (UTC)
15th-Apr-2005 01:22 am (UTC)
Two things that made me livid and forced a reply:

"No, the Bible verses are not misinterpreted. God HATES homosexuality.

It's spelled God not G-D."

Jeeeeeez, that's such a Christian-centric response, especially when you're Jewish and it just seethes anti-Jew sentiment.

"That's a bunch of bull. You obviously have a problem with women and with yourself. Simply put it seems that you have some "physchological" problems. You are still in denial. Did anyone ever abuse you as a child? Were you ever picked on a lot in school? Is anyone in your family gay?"

UGH!!!! Why does everyone pretend that they understand the full biolgical context of everything? I want to see one, just one, whip out literature to support what they're saying, and just once. My major has cursed me to hate people who have no idea of what they speak.
15th-Apr-2005 01:57 am (UTC)
"My major has cursed me to hate people who have no idea of what they speak."

No really, Jason - I don't need more reasons to want you... ;O)~
15th-Apr-2005 02:01 am (UTC)
hehehe, I just wish people wouldn't pretend to know, when they don't.

They just spout their mis-understood interpretations and then they defend them. I mean, honestly, what?
15th-Apr-2005 05:55 am (UTC) - RE: Christian-centric
RIght on!

That infuriated me too, and I am not Jewish! The bible is at its most dangerous as a weapon when put into the hands of the most incapable people. It is a text that should be respected, and by that I mean POURED over, disected and studied, old and new testament, not used by bigots to flippantly make some racist, sexist, homophobic, anti-Semetic, etc. judgments on the rest of the world.

People are religion's worst enemy. It just makes me think we are millions of light-years from being the enlightened, spiritual beings we can be.

15th-Apr-2005 01:47 am (UTC)
I'm not even touching that one. She doesn't want a reasoned reply -- as evidenced by (among other things) her LA LA LA I CAN'T HEAR YOU tone and the fact that she's started screening all comments -- and so I'm not going to bother formulating one.

I learned a while back not to waste my time or energy on someone whose rhetorical technique can be reduced to, 'Hey fags! You're stupid! Get it? Stupid? You're stupid because God says you're stupid! Bow before my superior and holy logic!' That kind of stupid will never be corrected in a medium where the person can just ignore, delete, or willfully misread anything s/he doesn't want to hear.
15th-Apr-2005 01:49 am (UTC)
And I now love you for writing what you just wrote...hehe

I read that girls posts and went...aw...kids, they think they know everything...
15th-Apr-2005 01:56 am (UTC)
I'm a lifelong Christian, a seminarian, and a queer woman. I run into wastes of oxygen like that on the average of about one a week. I comfort myself by saying that, you know, if Danna Nolan Fewell can't change those peoples' minds after a semester of Intro to the Old Testament, ain't nobody gonna.

Speaking of DNF, this poor girl should really take the hour out of her life and listen to this lecture. Might do her poor sheltered brain some good.
15th-Apr-2005 05:46 pm (UTC)
And YOU my lady...ROCK!
15th-Apr-2005 01:59 am (UTC)
I know, I know - but I just can't help myself sometimes! I know better than to bait or feed the fundies, but every now and then I just have to. Hey, at least I do it with logic and reasoned forethought.
15th-Apr-2005 02:05 am (UTC)
You do -- which is more than I can say for many of our colleagues. I should write a post about How To Argue With A Christian Fundamentalist. Because, really, it's an art.

Randomly, did you listen to the lecture I linked to here?
15th-Apr-2005 02:07 am (UTC)
Oh my, yes - PLEASE! I think if you wrote that, you of all people I know, I'd SQUEE myself to the point of orgasm, no foolin'.

Well of course I did, DUH... ;O}
15th-Apr-2005 02:10 am (UTC)
Well, heck! Perhaps I should! ...You know, in all my copious spare time. Or, uh, when I get bored at work tomorrow. Considering that my boss is a sweetheart, but a bit to the conservative side, I'll be inspired.

And good! I'm glad. I love that woman. I really should try and take another class with her. I mean, I should take more classes with everyone, because I loves all my professors, but still.
15th-Apr-2005 06:10 am (UTC)
I would buy it...
15th-Apr-2005 01:49 am (UTC)
She'll grow out of it.
15th-Apr-2005 02:00 am (UTC)
Indeed, right about the time she discovers k. d. lang & the Indigo Girls.
15th-Apr-2005 02:02 am (UTC)
Or gets hit by a speeding truck. Either will work.

15th-Apr-2005 02:09 am (UTC)
No, it'll be a church bus, you mark my words.
15th-Apr-2005 04:17 pm (UTC)
15th-Apr-2005 02:06 am (UTC)
You're too kind.

I don't think she'll ever have an orgasm. And will probably be married to an abusive idjit for the rest of her life.
15th-Apr-2005 02:08 am (UTC)
Is it so wrong that your sqwuid is seriously turning me on with it's lascivious undulating?
15th-Apr-2005 02:10 am (UTC)
A little bit. ;P
15th-Apr-2005 02:13 am (UTC)
And also - what does it mean when I cannot type the word "squid" correctly, but "lascivious" and "undulating" just fly right over? It means I need another beer is what it means.
15th-Apr-2005 11:19 am (UTC)

she asked for proof

15th-Apr-2005 03:16 pm (UTC)
Okay, that's actually a dangerous route to take, arguement-wise. I'm noticing a growing trend of fundies who are proud to have 'chosen' heterosexuality. That's going to muddle the waters a bit.
15th-Apr-2005 03:34 pm (UTC)

Perhaps someone should go into the idea of a logical fallasy. Because someone is an atheist, does not disqualify their take on the bible.

So with that, I say:
1) http://www.datanation.com/fallacies/attack.htm
2) http://www.datanation.com/fallacies/pl.htm

el fin

He could not win a formal debate. I should know, I was once a nationally ranked in speech and debate.
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