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Things Atheists Didn't Do 
28th-Jan-2010 12:45 pm

An Atheist did not set fire to his 11 year old niece for wearing lipstick. She has burns over 90% of her body and is not expected to survive.

No atheist decreed it was OK to kill the owners of Satellite TV stations that broadcast “immoral” content. That was a Islamic Cleric who also said Mickey Mouse should be killed. Atheists know that Mickey Mouse isn’t real either.

Atheists did not vandalize the homes of a half dozen politicians in Minnesota. They didn’t spray paint threats and a reference to Psalms 2 on their homes.

Atheists didn’t rape a nun in India. That was Hindus, who have also killed 30 people and left thousands homeless in their attacks on Christians.

Atheists did not gun down an aid worker in Afghanistan. That was, of course, Muslims. But hell, she was a woman, so they probably only consider it half a murder (which means they’ll have to work harder to fill their monthly quota.)

No atheist announced that women should now be limited to a one-eyed veil. That as an Islamic holy man.

It wasn’t an atheist court who sentenced a man to death for asking about woman’s rights in class. That was, of course, a Muslim court. But they changed their mind, and now he’s only sentenced to twenty years in prison. Allah is merciful.

Atheists don’t punish women for being raped. But if you’re an Islamic rape victim who can’t find four men to testify they witnessed the crime, you’ll be beaten if you’re single and stoned to death if you’re married. Imagine how nasty the punishment would be if Islam wasn’t the religion of peace.

No atheist teacher burned crosses into his students arms. And I’ll bet you a fine cigar or the refreshing beverage of your choice that the students that rallied to support him weren’t atheists either.


This one is actually from 2008. (I have so many of these things saved sometimes they get lost.) Three Christian parents murdered their childrenby relying on prayer or faith healing instead of getting them proper medical care. Their children, who could have been saved with simple and safe medical procedures, would still be alive if their parents were atheists.

Hurting the feelings of Muslims is a crime in some parts of the world and they’re attempting to spread that insanity world wide.

In January the Pope revealed a list of sins so heinous only he could offer absolution. On the list: a parishioner who has participated in an abortion, even by simply paying for part of it. Not on the list: priests raping children, of course.


Waitresses depend on tips to survive, but a group of Christians told a waitress they wouldn’t be leaving her a tip because they thought working on Sunday was a sin. It was OK for them to enjoy thelabor of sinners working on their holy day, as long as they didn’t pay for it. (In my experience Atheists tend to tip generously.)

In Saudi Arabia housekeepers were hounded into admitting they had cast dozens of spells in people’s houses – because the householders insisted it happened. They should have hired atheists housekeepers. Good luck finding one in Saudi Arabia, where admitting to believing reality can be fatal.

A woman in St. Paul withdrew her federal lawsuit against her husband for using voodoo against her because God told her to stop being an asshole.

Want to get a woman to blow herself up for Allah? Just rape her first. And you don’t even have schedule it yourself – this nice Muslim grandmotherly type will do it for you.

In Saudi Arabia a 23 year-old woman who was gang raped by five good Allah worshiping Muslim men was sentenced to a year in prison and 100 lashes for adultery by a Saudi judge. Because her rapists impregnated her, the most merciful Islamic court will wait until after she gives birth before beating the shit out of her.

In Pakistan popular singers are quitting their profession in the face ofthreats from the Taliban.

Catholics are pissed off at the Detroit Tigers for starting a game during “holy hours.” The only atheists angry at them were those foolish enough to bet on them.

A Muslim woman who was repeatedly raped by her Imam father fled his home when facing a forced marriage. He formed a 40 man gang and went on a hunt with the explicit intention of murdering her. I wonder if he hangs out with priests? Since Mohamed was a pedophile priests and Imams should get along great.

In NYC a deli owner who accidentally served non-kosher hot dogs to Jews had to fight some of them off with an electric knife. There are no videos of this, which is unfortunate because it would be freaking hilarious.

God is a crappy co-pilot. In Tunisia a pilot who prayed instead of following emergency procedures while is plane went down was (surprisingly) convicted and sentenced to jail. The 16 people who died would have been much better off with an atheist pilot. In contrast, Captain Sullenberger crash landed his plane in the Hudson River and saved everyone on board. When asked if he prayed he said. “I would imagine somebody in back was taking care of that for me while I was flying the airplane.” Which pilot would you want in the cockpit during an emergency?

In Iran a member of the Basiji militia confessed about how, in the name of Allah he would “marry” and rape young girls the night before their execution, because Islamic law forbids executing a virgin. Allah is merciful, piss be upon him.

In Chicago a Muslim woman beat her two year old to death. The Muslim community was outraged – not about the beating death of a child, but by the news media showing her face.


A Missouri High School band designed t-shirts that showed the evolution of man and the evolution of band instruments. A few days after they were distributed the school received complaints from concerned parents, who were not atheists, who claimed the shirts violated the school’s mandate to stay neutral where religion was concerned. Mouth-breather Sherry Melby, a teacher in the district, said “I don’t think evolution should be associated with our school.” The idiots who ran the school acquiesced and had the kids turn in the shirts.

Bill Donahue, of the Catholic League, is trying to get Penn & Teller’s “Bullshit!” canceled because they had the audacity to go after the Vatican.

The guy who hijacked a Mexican Jet was not an atheist. He did it on 9/9/09, because if you turn those numbers upside down, he says, they become 666. Well, 6606, actually. He’s not a mathematician either.

In France Muslim women are fighting for the “right” to wear “Burkinis” in public swimming pools. Atheists are willing to wear the normal required swim ware. Note: the woman in the picture is a Muslim, not a giant Smurf.


Are you better off with an atheist bus driver, or a religious one? Ask Ed Rivera, who has cerebral palsy. He was left on a freezing bus for 17 hours because the driver didn’t want to be late for church.

An Australian, who is not an atheist, is convinced Jesus and Mary have appeared in his Lava lamp.

In Texas a teacher was suspended not only for being an atheist, but also one of them there scary Liberals.

Smart people, which includes atheists, know that homosexuality and pedophilia are two very different things. Most pedophiles, even those who go after young boys, are heterosexual in their adult relationships. However, the Catholic Church, which is still coddling pedophiles and abrogating their responsibility in thousands of child rape cases, has officially stated that their pedophile priests aren’t really pedophiles. They’re gay.

Donna Ryder, a former Jehovah’s Witness, has revealed her role in hiding kids from health and social welfare authorities. Aided by the church, kids that could have been saved with a blood transfusion were shuttled around the country until they died. The kids would have been far better off with atheist parents.

In Wisconsin Dale and Leilani Neumann murdered their child via religious nuttery. Their 11 year old daughter had an easily treatable form of diabetes, but these obtuse assholes tried to cure her with prayer instead.

In court the unrepentant father said “I am guilty of trusting my Lord’s wisdom completely. . . . Guilty of asking for heavenly intervention. Guilty of following Jesus Christ when the whole world does not understand. Guilty of obeying my God. No, moron, you are guilty of murder. You could have been charged with second degree homicide. At the very least you should have been convicted of criminally negligent homicide, and spent a very long time in jail.

Instead the judge gave each of them the pathetic sentence of six months in jail each and ten years probation. And if that sentence wasn’t enough to prove his court doesn’t give a rat’s ass about kids, he’s having them serve the sentence a month at a time, one month at a time, over six years He’s staggering the sentence to make it easier for them to take care of their other kids.

Yes, you read that right. They’re keeping their other kids. They murdered their child but the judge is letting them keep their kids, because they murdered her in the name of God.

Despite numerous stories about religious parents directly causing their kids death, atheist parents are having trouble adopting. A couple who were trying to adopt kids had to jump through hoops because they were atheists. They did. At the last moment Superior Court Judge William Camarataordered them to send their kid back to the adoption agency, declaring she had the right be raised by superstitious assholes like him. They are waiting the results of an appeal.

Having trouble selling your house? Just bury a statue of Joseph in the front yard. Preferably near the mailbox, and upside down, because, well, just because. You can buy special Joseph Statues specifically designed for the purpose. Unfortunately, it doesn’t work for atheists.

In many primitive countries voters dip an index finger in ink after voting, which prevents them from voting twice. In Afghanistan the Taliban likes tochop those fingers off. Afghanistan also has a law allowing a husband tostarve his wife to death if she refuses to have sex with him. Praise be to Allah, the merciful.

In Florida anti-choice non-atheists are trying to ban not only abortion, butbirth control pills. They are serious about the command “be fruitful and fill the earth.” Every square inch if it, evidently. When Jesus returns he’ll be happy he knows that walking on water trick.


A new law in Afghanistan allows men to demand sex from their wives every four days, and to keep them indoors as long as they like.

Combining Islam and Nicotine Nannies can be deadly. A Malaysian couple asked relatives for help. He wanted to quit smoking and she wanted a cure for asthma and a liver disease. Their four loving relatives smashed the couple’s head on a table and beat them with helmets and brooms. Until they were dead. When their 15 year old daughter stumbled on to the carnage they beat her almost to death as well.

In Pakistan Taliban militants are preventing the UN from administering the Polio vaccine to 300,000 children. At last, someone the anti-vaxers can have a beer with. Oh, wait. . .

Kentucky passed a law requiring all Homeland Security operations credit God with protecting them. The law lists the office’s initial duty as “stressing the dependence on Almighty God as being vital to the security of the Commonwealth.” They’re also required to install a plaque that states “The safety and security of the Commonwealth cannot be achieved apart from reliance upon Almighty God.”

Turkey has banned Richard Dawkins’ website. Their “science” institute also banned a magazine cover story on Darwin.

In Papua New Guinea a woman was tied to a log and set on fire because she was a witch. She probably turned someone into a newt.

In Boulder Colorado Derik Bonestroo fired a gun into the ceiling of his workplace and told everyone if they weren’t a christian they were going to die. He asked Brian Mahon if he were Christian. Brian said he was catholic. That was the wrong kind of christian, evidently, because Bonestroo shot him in the head.

The Rev. Joseph Illo, pastor of St. Joseph Catholic Church in Modesto, California, sent out 15,000 letters to the members of his parish telling them if they voted for Obama they’d have to go to confession before receiving communion.

Pastor Rick Warren, who delivered Obama’s Inaugural Invocation, tells his parishioners that physical abuse is no excuse for divorce.

Headline: Christians in Jerusalem want Jews to stop spitting on them. Seems like a reasonable request.

In Saudi Arabia a 75 year old woman was caught with two men in her house. One was a 24 year old man she had wet-nursed, so she considered him a son. The other was delivering bread. In accordance with the loving, peaceful religion of Islam she was sentenced to 100 lashes, four months in jail, and deportation.

Mohammed Reza Taheri-azar rented a Jeep Cherokee and ran over students at an NC university. He did it to avenge the death of Muslims world wide. Evidently he missed Mosque the day they gave “how to run over people” lessons, because all his victims survived. Because of his failure when he dies he’s only going to get the really ugly virgins.

In Pakistan Muslims opened fire on people who had gathered in a Christian church.

Now that Turkey has made honor killings illegal, Muslim women are being encouraged to commit suicide. One girl reported her father requested she kill herself for the horrible sin of refusing an arranged marriage.

Roman Catholics are whining because they were offended by the time a Detroit Tigers game started.

In the Middle East the pope urged greater respect for woman. Evidently the part of his brain that detects irony is malfunctioning.

Ayman Udas, a newly married woman who had the audacity to sing on television, was murdered by her Muslim brothers for the crime.

At Queen Mary University in London Muslim students have been physicallypreventing Hindu students from using a multi-faith center on campus.

A Saudi woman is demanding a divorce because her husband, after 30 years of marriage, peeked under her veil while she was sleeping.


A pedophile priest, not an atheist, claimed he was only giving his victim anatomy lessons.

Muslims in Pakistan stoned a Christian man to death. His crime? Drinking tea at a roadside stall that was designated for Muslims only.

When a Christian church that tortured a gay teen via an exorcism to rid him of his faggy demon was criticized for their stupidity, Dr Gary Cass of the Christian Anti-Defamation Commissionslammed the critics, accusing them of intolerance.

An Oregon couple let their 15 month child die of pneumonia, refusing medical treatment and praying for her instead. If her parents had been atheists she would be alive right now.

A orthodox Jewish couple are suing their neighbors, claiming that an automatic hall light, which is triggered by people entering the hall, imprisons them in their apartment. This, they claim, prevents them from leaving on the Sabbath. If they were atheists instead of idiots they could leave whenever they want.

Eight people drowned a 22 year old mother of two trying to lift a curse from her. She would have been much better off with atheist friends.

An Islamic woman starved one of her children to death, after torturing her, because she thought she was possessed. Her other five children were seriously malnourished. Too bad her mother wasn’t an atheist.

By Fr. Alphonse de Valk has declared that Atheism is a threat to civilization. If he were an atheist he’d be smarter than that. Not to be outdone, Cardinal Cormac Murphy O’Connor has declared that atheists are not fully human.

Opening a dialog between religions may not be a good idea. Ernest McCullough, a Christan, got into an argument about religion with a Muslim, who ended the debate by shooting him in the leg.

In Maryland, a woman starved her son to death because he wouldn’t say Amen. She’s expecting him to be resurrected. That hasn’t happened so far. Yet another child who would have been much better off with atheist parents.

In India at least 50 people went blind staring into the sun looking for an image of the Virgin Mary. Atheists are never blinded by the light.

When woman with an atheist boyfriend asked Pat Robertson for advice about finding a middle ground with her atheist boyfriend, Pat told her to break up with him because he’s “serving the devil.”

In India a “Hindu Taliban” is attacking woman for drinking in bars and dressing inappropriately, including those wearing bathing suits at the beach and t-shirts with pictures of their deities on them. There are no reports of atheists beating up women over religion.

In Afghanistan a Mullah who spoke out against suicide attacks wasmurdered by other members of his religion of peace.

In Russia two Jehovah’s Witnesses went on a murder spree killing 13 people to rid the world of sin. (They should have just become vampires.)

In India two seven year old girls were married to frogs to prevent the disease outbreaks in the village. Atheists don’t advocate girl-frog marriage.

A pretty sixteen year old girl was stabbed to death by her Muslim brotherfor listening to rock and roll and wearing makup. He stabbed her 26 times. He was preserving the family honor.


No atheist would be silly enough to believe their their prayers caused the price of gasoline to drop by twenty cents.

An Oregon couple refused to take their 16 year old son to the hospital for a urinary blockage which could have been easily treated. Instead, they prayed until he died. They were not atheists.

Gail Williams, a 34 year old British Aid Worker, was gunned down by two Taliban holy men who claimed she was spreading Christianity. (Since women are only worth half as much as men in Islam, do you have to shoot two of them for Allah to count it as one kill?)

It was a priest, not an atheist, who told his parishioners they couldn’t receive communion if they voted for Obama.

When a mullah criticized suicide attacks, he was murdered by other members of the “religion of peace.”

It wasn’t atheists, but Armenian and Greek monks who got into a fistfight at the Church of the Holy Sepulcher in Jerusalem. If they were Sholin monks we could have seen some cool martial arts moves, but then it wouldn’t have been so entertainingly spastic.

Orthodox Jews, not atheists, have been beating and stoning women for wearing pretty clothes, and attacking stores that sell devices that can access the internet.

Islamic authorities in Malaysia, not atheists, issued a fatwa banning yoga.

An Islamic clerik in Melbourne says it’s OK to rape your wife and beat her.

It wasn’t atheists who held an Angolan woman prisoner for months, until she died.

In Atlanta a Pakistani immigrant, not an atheist, strangled his 25 year old daughter with a bungee chord becuase she wanted to end her arranged marriage and had gotten involved with someone else. He is a Muslim, not an atheist. The same goes for Waheed Alla Moammad (whose name really covers his religious ass) who tried to stab his 19 year old sister to death for going to clubs and an wearing immodest clothing. Yaser Able Said, also a Muslim, murdered his two teenage daughters for having boyfriends. Those stories and others are here.

When Anwar Salameh and Hassan Salameh, Muslims, not atheists, were convicted of murdering their 21 year old sister becuase she had a secret romantic relationship, they complained that their sentences were too severe becuase their family was bereaved. Is there an Arabic word for chutzpah?

The father who beat his daughter before shooting her to death for talking on Facebook was not an atheist.

The Jordanian man who shot his pregnant sister in the side of the head three times for “family honor” wasn’t an atheist either.

A city counsel in the UK allows employees to look at sites about Christianity, Islam, Hinduism and other religions but blocks Atheist sites.. Although the article doesn’t specify the beliefs of the dingleberries who made this decision, it’s a safe bet they’re not atheists.

Christians, not atheists, killed an eight year old autistic boy trying to cure him of demonism.

In Russia, two Jehovah’s Witnesses, who are definitely not atheist, brutally murdered 13 people to help cleanse the world of sin.

In Nigeria hundreds of people were killed in riots between Muslims and Christians fighting over the results of a local election.

Also in Nigeria, hundreds of children have been killed, and hundreds more have been brutally tortured by their parents, who believe they are witches.

Forty Hindu Men, not atheists, beat up eight women for being in a pub. They are part of a Hindu morality police, and despite public outcry, vow to keep doing it.

Mormons, not atheists, contributed about half the money spent to pass Proposition 8, which made gay marriage illegal. Mormons, of course, have always taught that marriage should be between one man and one wo…. Oh, wait… never mind.

Kwara State Police have arrested a goat for car theft. They insist it was an armed robber who tried to steal a car and then turned himself into a goat to escape.



(originally posted on http://www.davehitt.com/blog2/)
Comments 
28th-Jan-2010 08:07 pm (UTC)
Religion will be the end of the human race...
28th-Jan-2010 08:20 pm (UTC)
Only the fundamentalist madmen fringe.
28th-Jan-2010 08:24 pm (UTC)
There seem to be way too many of them...

It's a shame they don't just kill each other and leave the rest of us out of it.
28th-Jan-2010 08:13 pm (UTC)
And an atheist didn't lead the salt march, or spearhead the Civil Rights Movement, or....

I just find picking out instances of horrible behaviour that represent fring beliefs held by a microscopic fraction of the larger group is unhelpful, is all.
28th-Jan-2010 08:22 pm (UTC)
Fair enough to the first point, but given the times, it would have been impossible to have been taken seriously or not considered an agent of the devil.

Those instances of horror illuminate a much deeper issue, do they not?
28th-Jan-2010 08:27 pm (UTC)
You make it sound like they were pretending faith to get their agendas passed, instead of working toward their agendas because they were motivated by personal faith.

If I listed a bunch of grotesque acts of violence performed by men, what would that illuminate?

And yes, I do think there are huge issues here. Issues, plural. And when you paint them with a huge ATHEISTS NEVER DO THIS SHIT brush, you get ... well, comment threads like the one above this one.
28th-Jan-2010 08:39 pm (UTC)
So you're saying without the belief in God they would feel no reason to do these things for basic compassion for their fellow man or simple human decency. They only do it to win brownie points int he name of God? An that's better... how again?

Feel free to list all of the similar atrocities committed in the name of atheism - I'd be *quite* happy to hear them. Not even kidding. 100% dead serious. I'll even take a list that's 1/10 as long.

Edited at 2010-01-28 08:39 pm (UTC)
28th-Jan-2010 08:48 pm (UTC)
I'm afraid I'm going to bow out of this one because I sense from your tone that you don't have a lot of respect for people of faith or the importance of faith in their lives, and I'm not going to waste my keystrokes representing a viewpoint you've already described with such condescention. ('Brownie points'? Really?)

I'm not going to play the OMG ATHEISTS ARE WORSE THAN RELIGIOUS PEOPLE game, because that's just stupid, because it's hard to do something 'in the name of atheism' when atheism isn't a coordinated movement so much as a philosophy of individual rejection. What I want to say is, cherry-picking particularly horrific instances isn't illustrative of the whole. Of all the people of faith I know, of a variety of faiths, every single one of them would be horrified by these events. That's all.
28th-Jan-2010 09:01 pm (UTC)
No, you're not answering it because you simply *can't*. You're not bowing out because of my "tone", either. I'm sorry, you walked into this very (if not far more) hostile yourself with your "paint them with a huge ATHEISTS NEVER DO THIS SHIT brush" commentary to try to lob the absurdity ball back when your point was actually lost before you even made it.

Quite simply, no, I'm calling you on your BS "atheists never do this shit" comment/stance/opinion. Atheist's simply do NOT do this kind of nonsense crap and you know it. For any marginally similar atrocity you may be able to dig up in the name of atheism or committed by an atheist, I can give you 20 in the name of religion, many/most of which cite religious conical texts for their justification, written long before these stupid acts were committed.
28th-Jan-2010 09:12 pm (UTC)
I think the tone in this conversation is less than constructive, but I'll try commenting anyways. Obviously the list of horrible events is not representative in any way of the average religious person, and is only representative of an extremely small subset of religous people.

That said, there is also a very clear tendency for people to tie religous beliefs to morality. Again, not all individuals follow this trend, but that *is* very representative of a large portion of religous people. The morals being adopted through these generally thousands of year old texts are often not in line with what a rational person applying their own judgement would conclude to be moral.

Further, these already flawed morals which in many cases have been reinforced throughout not just an individual's own life, but generations of being taught these morals aren't beliefs, but are absolute truths. A smaller subset of religous people further skew these morals in ways which enable a not insignificant number of people to commit truly abominable acts. Atheism does not have any such trend that I'm aware of, and yet atheists are typically thought of as being scary monsters out doing horrible things by religous people.

If you remove the tie between morality in doctrine and spirituality, religions wouldn't be discussed in the way they are, and I think as an individual you don't do this. But, having met a whole bunch of religous people in my life, you're in the minority in that.

Edited at 2010-01-28 09:14 pm (UTC)
28th-Jan-2010 11:45 pm (UTC)
I recommend that everyone read "The End Of Faith" by Sam Harris. He argues that religion (every religion) that uses a text (any text) as the definition of itself must defend against every possible interpretation of that text.

Does God command people to go out and kill other people, anywhere within that Holy Book? Then that religion has to accept amongst its responsibilities those people who decide to follow the letter of the law, no matter how inconvenient that responsibility might be.

Humanism might be a better way to live than theism, and lots of people work on ways of codifying that set of beliefs in a way that eliminates every possible negative interpretation from occuring.

God, apparently, creates poets who write more eloquently and clearly than He does. *boggle*
29th-Jan-2010 03:37 pm (UTC)
Because people are complicated, it's possible to have respect for people with religious beliefs in spite of those beliefs. The DEMAND that people's superstitious beliefs be RESPECTED is just part of the bullshit control-the-game strategy that theist organizations have use - it's part of the same package as assertions of blasphemy.

If you want your beliefs respected, I'd suggest that you start by having beliefs worth respecting.

People have done horrible things both in the name of their god, and with no mention or thought of supernatural gods. I think what we can take away from the OP list is that some people who might not otherwise be abusive will become so based on what their religious beliefs are.

It's also annoying but typical for theists to say things like "a philosophy of individual rejection". What bullshit. In the context of a theist society, where the shared delusion of supernatural beings holds sway, a simply rational person acquires the label of "atheist" when they say that, as with pixies in the bushes or invisible gears that move the moon around the earth, there is absolutely no reason to believe in the god/gods whose existence is asserted by theists. It's not in any way a philosophy, and it's not in any way focusing on the rejection of something. It's simply that there's no rational reason to believe what you do. I know that theists have a hard time comprehending that but it would make life a lot better if you made some effort to do so.
9th-Jul-2010 06:44 pm (UTC)
Anonymous
I would suggest that all the good people you know, who profess to have a belief in a god, would be good people even if that particular superstition didn't exist.

On the other hand, many horrible people DO commit horrible acts against humanity because of their religious beliefs and therefore, religion is a substantive part of some extreme behavior. It's a historical fact.
28th-Jan-2010 08:34 pm (UTC)
Did those people do things for the sake of or in the name of their religion specifically, or were they people that believed in or practiced a religion that also happened to do these things for the sake of basic human rights?

Choose your answer carefully...
28th-Jan-2010 08:35 pm (UTC)
Okay, so ... when religious people do bad things, it's because of their religious beliefs, but when they do good things, it's never because of their religious beliefs?
28th-Jan-2010 08:48 pm (UTC)
Not what I said/asked and that's not the point - see comment above. Do they do these good things to win afterlife points with God, or because they're simple basic decent human beings trying to do right by their fellow man here on this mortal coil?

Personally, I've never felt I had to appease a deity to just simply do good things for my fellow man, or needed the threat of damnation of hellfire not to.
28th-Jan-2010 09:59 pm (UTC)
I forgot to say too, good original post.
28th-Jan-2010 10:30 pm (UTC) - Crazy people did this.
Yep, insanity exists in people of faith...and in people who are atheists.

Insanity knows no bounds, and religion doesn't prevent insanity, though I don't think lack of religion necessarily precludes insanity.
28th-Jan-2010 10:41 pm (UTC)
Some Christians are reasonable, some are assholes.
Some Muslims are reasonable, some are assholes.
Some atheists are reasonable, some are assholes.

What makes all the above stories heinous is not necessarily the religious beliefs of the participants (or lack thereof), but the fact that they were all seriously deluded assholes.

Sure, there was tremendous carnage (on both sides) during the Crusades. But Hitler and his minions massacred millions in the name of a Darwinian "superior race" notion (despite his lip service with "Gott mit uns"), and who can forget the millions more killed in the Ukraine under Stalin, or Cambodia under Pol Pot, or even in China under Mao - all atheist communist leaders.

When religionists go wrong, they usually have some kind of constraints on their evil (because, after all, they are doing it in some kind of twisted perversion of some moral code); however, when atheists go wrong, often they have no such constraints (For example, when communists have their bloody purges, their rationale can only be to be a self-serving consolidation of personal power, not any nobler ulterior motive).

(FYI, a large number of Muslim-inflicted horror stories can be found at http://jihadwatch.org)
29th-Jan-2010 12:01 am (UTC)
I live in a post-communist country myself. Bulgaria used to be the most obedient satellite of the Soviet Union. What happenned there happenned here too, on a smaller scale, concentration camps and all.

And that's why we still have the phenomenon of perfectly secular homophobia, among other things.
28th-Jan-2010 10:50 pm (UTC)
As I loathe organised religion, I think this is a good post.

Muslims even torture their own; the royal family in UAE and the police collude:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_pQg8iU_wM4&NR=1

These are just bad bad people who think they are above any law. Nothing has happened to Sheikh Issa as far as I know. What morals did they grow up with?
28th-Jan-2010 10:57 pm (UTC)
I really wish there were less -ism and more love.
28th-Jan-2010 11:44 pm (UTC)
//Waitresses depend on tips to survive, but a group of Christians told a waitress they wouldn’t be leaving her a tip because they thought working on Sunday was a sin. It was OK for them to enjoy thelabor of sinners working on their holy day, as long as they didn’t pay for it. (In my experience Atheists tend to tip generously.)//

Most servers will tell you that Sunday shifts are the worst because of the after-church crowd.
29th-Jan-2010 05:03 am (UTC)
Most of the horrors on this list are too big to really, really grasp as real. But this, this is a scale I can grasp fully and personally.

This is a sign of something wrong with the way Christianity is being practiced.
6th-Feb-2010 02:54 am (UTC)
As someone who put in my near-requisite stint as a waitress while in college, I concur. I hated dealing with the after-church crowd on Sundays (both morning and night) and Wednesday evenings. When, years later, I worked in a hotel, I discovered that it wasn't only waitresses who had reason to loathe them.
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29th-Jan-2010 04:39 am (UTC)
what an overwhelming collection of data. and thanks for the source blog reference, that's interesting too.

I once read that atheists are about 1% of the U.S. population. I guess I'll have to be satisfied I am in such an exclusive club.

and what is the best known symbol for atheists. leave it to us to be chaotic enough so that we can't agree upon something like that.
29th-Jan-2010 09:11 pm (UTC)
This is a helpful post for me...... wanting to use some of these examples as a part of class discussions next month - thanks for the resource
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