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9th-Aug-2008 11:57 am


Georgia declares state of war with Russia
SOURCE:
BBC News
From inishglora:
Here's a snippet from the English-language version of Pravda regarding the conflict:

"Russian officials believe that it was the USA that orchestrated the current conflict. The chairman of the State Duma Committee for Security, Vladimir Vasilyev, believes that the current conflict is South Ossetia is very reminiscent to the wars in Iraq and Kosovo. In the meantime, it became known that the Georgian troops conducted volley-fire cleansings of several South Ossetian settlements, where people’s houses were simply leveled.

Here's what Michael Rivero, webmaster of www.whatreallyhappened.com has to say about the interesting timing:

Webmaster's Commentary: "The agenda here on the part of the US appears to be to get Russia mired in a military confrontation with Georgia. This would critically impact Russia's ability to come to Iran's aid, should the US and/or Israel be planning some kind of an attack. We now have two carrier groups, headed to the Gulf. Coincidence?!? Probably not."
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9th-Aug-2008 04:25 pm (UTC)
I had a Finnish friend on chat yesterday telling me a little about this (I had to admit I was woefully ignorant, but pardoned myself a little by saying "if you were American, you'd understand how difficult it is to keep up with just your own wars and screwups regularly"). She said Finland is the chair of the OSCE and as such, can't really stay out of getting involved, though she was thinking of packing her bags for Switzerland and worried the foreign minister might just make things worse ...
9th-Aug-2008 06:22 pm (UTC) - Where there's smoke, there's fire
Here's a snippet from the English-language version of Pravda regarding the conflict:

"Russian officials believe that it was the USA that orchestrated the current conflict. The chairman of the State Duma Committee for Security, Vladimir Vasilyev, believes that the current conflict is South Ossetia is very reminiscent to the wars in Iraq and Kosovo. In the meantime, it became known that the Georgian troops conducted volley-fire cleansings of several South Ossetian settlements, where people’s houses were simply leveled.

Here's what Michael Rivero, webmaster of www.whatreallyhappened.com has to say about the interesting timing:

Webmaster's Commentary: "The agenda here on the part of the US appears to be to get Russia mired in a military confrontation with Georgia. This would critically impact Russia's ability to come to Iran's aid, should the US and/or Israel be planning some kind of an attack. We now have two carrier groups, headed to the Gulf. Coincidence?!? Probably not.
9th-Aug-2008 06:28 pm (UTC) - Re: Where there's smoke, there's fire
Reposting this above - and thank you for it!
9th-Aug-2008 08:08 pm (UTC)
I think setting off this war may have been an epic blunder by the Georgian government. Did they think the US would come to the rescue? It won't.
9th-Aug-2008 09:06 pm (UTC)
Hey, been following your blog for a while since I enjoy your writing.

My dad headed over to Georgia on an environmental/ parks project earlier this week - I'm still waiting to hear if he's gotten out safely to Armenia. I've been posting a lot about this on my LJ blog, feel free to take a look.

The situation is so fucked - I taught English in Moscow for the last three years, left in May (for Berlin) after getting stopped by the FSB and asked if I was a spy for two hours (umm, no, I teach English to kids...) and then I encouraged my father to take this job since Russia and Georgia haven't actually done anything over this conflict for the many years it's been simmering... I had a bunch of Georgian students and they were great people, really warm and wonderful. They have 5,000 years of winemaking behind them as a culture and it shows - excellent stuff. Very generous people, but kinda mafiosi oriented. This war now - it's about gangwar type pride and also a thousand years of the kind of blood feuds that make Irish ones look tame.

My father turns 60 tomorrow. I really, really hope he's made it safely to Armenia and is enjoying some of their excellent cognac and just can't find internet access. Fingers crossed...
9th-Aug-2008 09:08 pm (UTC)
I hope so, love - I really hope so. Please let me know when you hear from him.
10th-Aug-2008 07:00 pm (UTC)
Just found out my father got out of Georgia okay. Thanks for your concern!
10th-Aug-2008 07:31 pm (UTC)
I am so relieved! I was thinking about you all day - this is excellent news!
9th-Aug-2008 09:57 pm (UTC)
Oh, holy fuck. It will take time for me to read your links, but I'm dreading every second of it. We don't need the Shrub Maladministration pulling this shit right now!

Now I need to get a mop and a bag. The photo just ripped my heart out of my chest and stomped on it. These people did nothing to justify their slaughter, nothing. What the fuck is happening to civilization?
10th-Aug-2008 12:11 am (UTC)
The same thing that's been happening ever since the dawn of time.

Human idiocy.
10th-Aug-2008 12:23 am (UTC)
Fuck it, we need a cure for idiocy.
10th-Aug-2008 12:32 pm (UTC)
Yet another fucking post-communist war! The two former communist empires - the USSR and Yugoslavia - just can't fall apart peacefully, and the process is far from finished in both places. And I'm afraid it's even worse there than here on the Balkans. I'm lucky to live in one of the few peaceful Balkan post-communist countries (there is some ethnic tension here too, and some "political leaders" who try to escalate it for their own advantage, but none of the ethnic groups is crazy enough to start a civil war). But I do sympathize with the civilian population of the less lucky countries,and I feel so helpless knowing that I can't do anything to stop or prevent the violence there! Darina from Bulgaria
11th-Aug-2008 05:49 am (UTC)
Is it okay if I just don't read this today? I just cannot bear to read something that I know will propel me into a state of hopelessness, sadness, fury, rage, and sadness.

Today it was 80 degrees, dry and sunny, fluffy white clouds and blue sky above and I hung around at the pool with my friends, talking, laughing, joking, soaking in the sun, celebrating joy and being alive. We watched a four-year-old loved one learn the fine art of swimming, and she went at it with abandon. I did not think of politics or crime or war. It was a very good (rare) day. I honestly don't know how our psyches can survive absorbing all this pain and suffering and negative bad news. Sometimes I truly have to just shut down and push it all away, because I cannot do a single fucking thing about the state of the world. Oh, yeah, I can vote.

I'll have to digest this at another date, but I thank you for supplying me with the best resources.
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